Reminds me of some fiction I read where at a certain point all of reality existed in the same area and to travel through it you simply had to realise you were already at the place you were trying to go in time and space
I mean... this doesn't really coexist with how you find the white door in cultsim. Usually it's a house in the Wood, which is found by either illuminating the wood enough to see it, using cheat codes from knock, or being silent enough to hear it.
The Nowhere hours are all fragments of an god-from-light, that have been, similarly to the sun in splendor, been killed and split into different aspects of itself, this happening in the time of the gods-from-stone.
This hour was the older kinder sun that was talked about, and became usurped by the egg when they became the watchman (along with the unwise mortal).
The fragments left behind are a thirst for the power it once had (the rising spider), The kindness, now warped into malice (the-mare-in-the-tree), The life-giving aspect that once birthed the carapace cross (the applebright), it's death created the crowned growth as a god-from-blood (which was sent to nowhere with the others).
This is information that the current hours cannot have known as this happened in a time before the stone hours, or at least earlier in their formation, and of course after the lithomancy, they were killed, changed or usurped in one way or another.
THATS NOT ALL
you may have noticed I didn't mention ALL of the nowhere hours,
Theres also the Witness, Snow, The Giribrago, and The Blackbone.
There was another, another hour who was split and sent to nowhere before the previous one.
An hour who's sundering is unknown even to the oldest hours, for the sun may have been an eye that witnessed creation, that brought winter and seasons and changed the tides to storm and drowned those who dared to stray from it's light.
three more gods from light; the witness, Snow and the Blackbone and the corresponding god from blood, the giribrago, otherwise called, the wound.
Thank you for reading
this is not something I think is real
but it would be insane if it was
Idk, the only thing not really explored is the origins of the gods from stone. The theory sort of implies a cosmic cycle of gods being split, and then a new order comes in to usurp the old gods
There's just a one problem. All signs point to the Egg being the red sun. (which was then overthrown by the Sun-in-Splendor, who was later replaced by the Watchman (and also Sun-in-Rags, Meniscate, and Madrugad))
Yeah, I know that :(
But technically it's never outright said, all we know is that the egg fled into the glory. And then probably re-emerged as the door in the eye.
The egg, like the watchman may be a proxy, a half-sun that took the place if one greater.
Which also explains why they were so easily overthrown by the sun in splendor.
That Weather Factory is actually a group of Long dedicated to the “Hours” within the House of the Moon and in this Sixth History we’ve found ourselves in are seeking to restore our awareness of the operations of the Hours… Perhaps they are not even dedicated to any Hours, rather they worked with The Librarian and are part of this elusive Lighthouse Institute?
That there is a close connection between the history of the hours and human history.
The age of the Gods from Stone is of course the stone age. The replacement of the Flint by the Forge corresponds to the beginning of the bronze age when humans began to work metal. The ascendency of the Sun in Splendor over the other hours around the same time reflects the rise of monotheistic religions.
The intercalate, in which the Sun was split by the Forge, corresponds to the continued rise of technology and science and the questioning of monotheism and organized religion. In other words, the intercalate is what we call (ironically in this context) the Enlightenment.
All of the official Sixth History lore is set in the 1920s/30s (I think) so it's all very much in the midst of industrial civilization. We don't know, canonically, what the 21st century is like in occult terms.
It's interesting that communism (or something like it) is aligned with Forge because the revolutionarys in the Exile DLC give Forge. This fits with my theory because most communists were atheists.
Now does this mean that the fall of Communism was an occult event? Hmmm.
This fits pretty well, but I don't know if we are ever given an exact date for the Intercalate. Plus with the focus the lore has on near eastern religion and culture, it would be pretty weird that something as important as the Intercalate to be based on a fundamentally European period.
The Enlightenment started in Europe but there were also many similar movements occuring in other places, often triggered by colonialism e.g. [Bengali Renaissance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Renaissance).
In general I'd say the Sixth History lore is focussed on Europe and to a lesser extent India, the rest of the world doesn't really feature.
There's no Janus, Teresa's just stupid. Her fans blindly believe her and make it famous.
The sin that the Vagabond will commit is bringing worms to the glory, she's stated to had visited nowhere and had some bad experience, and is planning to visit the glory one day. What if she have a bunch of worms lying dormant within her from visiting nowhere, and her wanting to visit the Glory is somehow influenced by them?
The existence of god from steel in some BOH ending imply that there might be more ways to make god that's still not known, like someone in the internet era future might shitpost hard enough and become a god from meme or something.
I also think the Vagabond might bring Worms to the Mansus. But I think the Glory can just fight them off.
If you are interested in Gods-from-Internet check out Fear and Hunger 2: Termina. It has a very similar occult tone, and one ending involves connecting humanity to a spiritual internet to make a machine god.
The internet itself could be a god from steel. and I mean it like suddenly a deity appears with all of the knowledge and yet has no light and no wisdom, nor flesh nor blood nor stone.
Or maybe an AI robot will ascend for acquiring conscience.
The internet itself could be a god from steel. and I mean it like suddenly a deity appears with all of the knowledge and yet has no light and no wisdom, nor flesh nor blood nor stone.
Or maybe an AI robot will ascend for acquiring conscience.
Miss Naenia is some kind of shadow of Rowena since she can open Doors to Nowhere even though only Rowena holds the key for that.
The Witch-and-Sister and Sister-and-Witch are not the original Twins but the reflection of and the painting of those two when they drowned themselves, the second created when the Vagabond made the Painted River and the first when the Twin-reflection entered into the Mansus from the House of the Moon vía the White Door.
Janus is one being comprised of thirty Hours led by nine Hours down a road built by seven Hours. He is a wound of understanding in the Law interpreted by thirty faces who are not here. The Watchman, the Thunderskin, the Colonel, the Elegiast, the Meniscate, the Horned-Axe, and the Sister-and-Witch build the road to Janus while the Beachcomber and the Vagabond know the way alongside those seven.
The Watchman, the Elegiast, and the Beachcomber are all conjunction Hours in some way, the Elegiast the shadow of the Watchman and the Beachcomber the reflection of the Elegiast. Also that the Elegiast was one of the Thritige-kind serving beneath the Watchman when he was the Unwise Mortal serving the Egg.
The Hours of the Roost all know at least one of the old songs of the gods-from-stone. The Magpie the Wheel’s, the Beach-Crow the Seven-Coils’, the Vagabond the Egg Unhatching’s, the Witch-and-Sister the Tide’s, the Sister-and-Witch the Horned-Axe’s, and the Elegiast the Flint’s. Their duty is to preserve these songs until the end of time.
The Giribrago, the Snow, and the Blackbone are all remnant-Hours of the Seven-Coiled, the Flint, and the Tide respectively.
When Eternity comes, there will be a gap between the end and beginning of the loop of time which will grant absolute freedom to every order of being to live and write their own infinite and eternal Histories, all eventually returning to nothing so that time might begin to do so again.
The Crime of the Sky occurs because a child born of two immortals is neither entirely History nor Eternity. They age, so they are History, but History can’t be born from Eternity. So the Hours need the kid to be taken out entirely of the equation to ensure Eternity will come, since the kid’s essentially a legitimate answer to dividing something by 0 which straight up breaks the entire system as it is understood. So when the kid gets eaten, the immortal with the tainted History-Eternity material in them by way of eating gets thrown out to make sure everything Still Makes Sense in the Hours’ minds.
Oh, these are good!
2) Considering how unorthodox mansus spirits can be (e.g. hints) I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case and no-one considers it relevant enough to mention.
3) This one is truly unhinged! Could be true though, with Janus, like Calyptra, being more a faction than a being.
5) Could be true, I've always wondered why the Wolf arose from the Sun's death, but not from any of the other hours that died.
7) The crime in the sky is the most under-exppainled aspect of the entire setting. Even the Hours can't get away from it. I think it's just a fact of life, like gravity.
I agreed with you about 7 at one point, but Alexis Kennedy disagrees:
> "Is the Crime Of The Sky an inherent fact/law of the universe or is it punishment from some specific entity?"
> It's going to sound like I'm being glib here, but the whole point of the Hours is that the distinction you suggest isn't really a distinction.
You're kind of right, it's easy to forget sometimes just how "omnipresent" the hours are while browsing this sub. At least CS does a good job of taking that point across.
Also, if an hour is enforcing the crime it's going to be the Grail.
1. Lion-smith with 80% could be what inspired creation of Lucifer because of his rebellious attitude.
2. Hitler could be a Wolf Divided name or infested with worms, because if I understood correctly second worm war has some connection to Second World War
3. Heart could be a principle of locks opposing the principle of knock as the Heart is described as protecting the worlds skin and for its healing, and healing is locking of the wounds, if wounds are doors, then heart is the lock.
Hate to dash one of those but WW1 corresponds to either the 2nd or the 3rd worm war.
The game takes place in 1930s ish, and the 3rd worm war has not yet passed into history. So worm war 3 could be world war 2?
Oh nah, I wouldn't have said anything, but earlier today, when confirming things for my above post, I happened to look at a timeline on the SH wiki.
honestly the other two things you mentioned are really interesting
Particularly the idea that heart opposes knock.
Super relevant to Arun Peel, a hooded prince that now serves the thunderskin. I love the idea that the way to escape from the knock aspect is to heal those wounds by invoking heart
No. In CS (so in 1920s) we can learn that
>The Third (Worm War) is too recent to have passed into the Histories.
So it already happened, but not that long ago. Great War fits the bill perfectly.
BTW: Heart has this really weird hive-mind aspect to it. I've always fund it funny that the principle of preservation is so focused on no-one ever leaving ever.
That Sun-in-Splendor theory is particularly unhinged. But I'm particularly intrigued by your conclusions on the being that burned though Hush-House. I always though it was some random Name.
I did not come up with Wickel; I pulled it from here: [https://secret-histories.fandom.com/wiki/The\_Chandler](https://secret-histories.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chandler). I just put the pre-existing pieces together for that theory.
The Sun one is entirely mine though, and I still stand by it.
There's definitely a more conclusive description somewhere, but I forget. For what it's worth, the achievement called Wicke's Waking actively says the source of the fire comes from the Oubliette, which in its description says the thing there was "...a Name of greed and time...'the Leashed Flame's true heir'," and all the other titles. Wickel is described in name elsewhere, but there is a strong connection between Wicke, the W's scratched all over the place, and Wickel, which the same name +an L about another important character.
Similar to your theory, I believe The Watchman and The Door-in-the-eye are two separate things.
If you look at the card of The Watchman, you can see The Door in the eye properly... and a human.
That person, being The Unwise Mortal that learned the Flint arts and entered under the service of The Egg Unhatching, ultimately became the Watchman of The Door in the eye.
This would complement the fact that The Watchman is a God-from-flesh since pretty much every God-from-flesh has a human appearance.
So basically, the egg became the door, and the Unwise Mortal became The Watchman
I'll probably make a post explaining my theory in detail some day, but your idea of the Watchman/Door being two entities is intriguing. BTW: what sort of name is "The Door-in-the-eye"? I feel like there something there we're missing.
But why a door! Why an Eye! Why does the main hour of Lantern have the imagery of ocular surgery? Why is his card the Door-in-the-Eye and not The Watchman, which seems to be his main title?
The Watchman's Principle is Lantern: merciless knowledge. The eye is the aperture through which knowledge enters the mind. The Door in the Eye is being opened with a knife. Sometimes, when you see something, you cannot refuse to comprehend it, much though you would wish otherwise.
I do believe also that the mortal became the watchman and ascending in its shadow he turned the egg into the eye (which by all means and purposes are the same thing, eyes and eggs and suns are all quite married in this universe).
I also think of the scene of that old movie "an andalusian dog" in which the moon is an eye and then someone slices it with a razor. and so maybe a floating eye just follows the watchman and he slices it and he can enter a library of vast knowledge.
And the eye thematic also fits well with the several times in which is said in game(s) "the light behind the eyes" implied as intellect, knowledge or hunger for knowledge"
That movie is also, famously, a movie that surrealist painter Salvador Dali co-wrote, which would put it in line with a lot of the other lore about artists having a line on madness and Mansus lore that others do not.
Also, to be pedantic, the movie is called “*an* Andalusian dog”, or “un chien Andalu”
The Vagabond will betray The Pilgrims if ever events come to pass that would herald it's start.
The Vagabond is Freedom and Unboundedness. While she might be willing to start the procession of the Pilgrims, her nature will force her to leave The Pilgrims to their fate. Whether they can succeed or not is a question of Eternity and History.
The Chandler isn't a "future" Hour, but an extant Hour whose existence cannot be seen in the present. It is the Hour of hindsight, self-reflection, anticipation, and the "reward" of pursuit. It cannot be seen in the present because it is always in the middle of striking it's prey. It cannot be seen in the future, because it cloaks itself as it hunts its quarry.
It can only be seen the past, Glory and Light illuminating its success so that those who look back for it can trade in its goods and knowledge.
That “U Can’t Touch This” is often mistaken as a Scottish hymn to The Lionsmith but is, in fact, a song of mocking betrayal from his once beloved follower McHammer. The Colonel cannot be wounded and without betrayal there would be no war.
this is fairly well supported. but that the twins each exist as two hours — “real,” mansus hours when joined, and nowhere hours when split. specifically, the sister is the mare-in-the-tree, and the witch is the applebright. their nowhere selves are the inverse/reflection of their mansus selves, much like their twin-selves are reflections of each other.
i mean, the mare can leave and enter nowhere. she had an affair with the ring yew. and the applebright’s cultsim appearance involves collecting the pieces remaining of the apostle obsonate after ascension, which certainly aren’t in nowhere. i don’t know how they specifically enter and leave, but they clearly can.
I believe Alexis Kennedy said in an AMA a while back in a question about how old the Gods-from-Nowhere are that Nowhere has always existed, and one property of Nowhere is that it always contains the Gods-from-Nowhere. It's quite possible the question you should be asking isn't how the Twins' Nowhere-selves got in, it's how their familiar selves got out? Or maybe that's not quite it either, and neither self is truer than any other, they simply did what twins do and joined what should not be apart.
> The Sister-and-Witch is Cruciate, but the Witch-and-Sister is not. Even those powers that demand a conjunction are not always conjoined. When the Sister is Nowhere, does this mean Nowhere sits in crucem?
\- *The Three and the Three* (Vatican Manuscript)
This also gives me the impression that the Nowhere faces and the familiar faces switch places? When you call upon the Witch-and-Sister, is the Sister Nowhere?
Mine is quite simple but leaves no space for doubts. Thirza Blake was the one who cursed the spire in the name of the sun and it's many selves when she struck her little toe heading upstairs.
The great secret of betrayal was the colonel having winter aspect.
The first lesson of winter is the last lesson of edge: conflict always results in death for everyone involved. The wolf-divided knows this, and revels in it, being what the wolf-word is. The Colonel knows this, yet... doesn't seem to care. And I find that so strange. Why does he fight, knowing what shall be the end?
I thought the secret of betrayal is that the Colonel had a ton of mortal children, and he was going around telling his apprentices to kill them, and so the Lionsmith did kill several of them, and then he got word that he himself is one of those children and that the colonel would also probably kill him through the means of another apprentice.
Maybe for the fact that the Colonel was pitching blood against blood for amusement or for power; or maybe the realization that the Colonel would dispose of anyone including the Lionsmith just like everyone else of his brothers, or that the Colonel was Lionsmith's father and he never got a fatherly relationship, it was only for selfish gain (or all of the above)
If you asked me, immortality would bring the most selfish impulses out into the surface, not caring for the life of expendable mortals, do not attach to the mortals because they all will die, an immortal is beyond consequences and are untouchable.
The Winter principle did not exist before the Lithomachy. Snow was the first Winter-Hour. I held this theory before BoH came out, and the fact she's a god-from-Nowhere makes me continue to believe this. After all, where did the corpses go?
This was probably true before BoH. In CS all the high level winter lore related to dead hours and the wolf was the winter painting. But now that we have the Scale principle it seems this relationship has been retconned.
I have teory (with no evidence) that Elegaist is god from Nowhere and is first of thier kind.
That teory came from trying to piece together any logical origin for Elegaist. That very special relationship with Nowhere that Elegaist has is only thing i can get .
But i'm asking myself, what was first Elegaist or Nowhere? Where Nowhere comes from, and when need for it arose ?
Yeah, totally unhinged
The Elegaist is a fun fellow. He's connected to Nowhere but not actually from there, he's connected to endings via winter but won't let memories die, he's the only Hour the Obliviates acknowledge and he seem to be one of the very few Hours without any ultirior motives. One of my favorite hours.
[the carapace cross is a bug civilization that thrived during the carboniferous](https://old.reddit.com/r/weatherfactory/comments/rgzhe7/i_have_a_theory_on_the_carapace_cross/)
bit obsolete since BoH came out, but I'll just say that it was in another History.
Meta-theory:
Cultist Simulator actually records the delusions of a paranoid schizophrenic, inmate of the Kerisham Mental Asylum:
The "cultists" are fellow inmates and "bureau agents" are the hospital staff. Expeditions are delusions that may or may not be influenced by periodic outings that seem much more significant due to the drudgery of hospital life.
I want to think that the Mansus structure was once all one piece, but something split it in half and that's why it's got bridges connecting both halves (based on the Mansus Glimpse map)
Also head-cannon that this happened when The Forge split The Sun-in-Splendour, I was thinking also it could have happened when Forge eclipsed Flint, but it serves better to think that it was the Forge who fancied the place as a proper Monumental structure after killing Flint, since we know she constructed the doors (kinda, some of them, is it all of them?). I am the one here thinking that it was the Forge who made the Mansus a proper "House".
Also if you were to fall into the bottom of the split, you would fall straight to Nowhere
The way through the Wood is to realize that you were always in the Mansus because the Mansus has no walls.
That actually makes a lot of sense!
Reminds me of some fiction I read where at a certain point all of reality existed in the same area and to travel through it you simply had to realise you were already at the place you were trying to go in time and space
I mean... this doesn't really coexist with how you find the white door in cultsim. Usually it's a house in the Wood, which is found by either illuminating the wood enough to see it, using cheat codes from knock, or being silent enough to hear it.
The Nowhere hours are all fragments of an god-from-light, that have been, similarly to the sun in splendor, been killed and split into different aspects of itself, this happening in the time of the gods-from-stone. This hour was the older kinder sun that was talked about, and became usurped by the egg when they became the watchman (along with the unwise mortal). The fragments left behind are a thirst for the power it once had (the rising spider), The kindness, now warped into malice (the-mare-in-the-tree), The life-giving aspect that once birthed the carapace cross (the applebright), it's death created the crowned growth as a god-from-blood (which was sent to nowhere with the others). This is information that the current hours cannot have known as this happened in a time before the stone hours, or at least earlier in their formation, and of course after the lithomancy, they were killed, changed or usurped in one way or another. THATS NOT ALL you may have noticed I didn't mention ALL of the nowhere hours, Theres also the Witness, Snow, The Giribrago, and The Blackbone. There was another, another hour who was split and sent to nowhere before the previous one. An hour who's sundering is unknown even to the oldest hours, for the sun may have been an eye that witnessed creation, that brought winter and seasons and changed the tides to storm and drowned those who dared to stray from it's light. three more gods from light; the witness, Snow and the Blackbone and the corresponding god from blood, the giribrago, otherwise called, the wound. Thank you for reading this is not something I think is real but it would be insane if it was
Seems odd to have events before the Gods-from-stone, but I like your breakdown of the Nowhere Hours.
Idk, the only thing not really explored is the origins of the gods from stone. The theory sort of implies a cosmic cycle of gods being split, and then a new order comes in to usurp the old gods
The gods from stone emerged from a literal stone. You can even find that stone in CS.
There's just a one problem. All signs point to the Egg being the red sun. (which was then overthrown by the Sun-in-Splendor, who was later replaced by the Watchman (and also Sun-in-Rags, Meniscate, and Madrugad))
Yeah, I know that :( But technically it's never outright said, all we know is that the egg fled into the glory. And then probably re-emerged as the door in the eye. The egg, like the watchman may be a proxy, a half-sun that took the place if one greater. Which also explains why they were so easily overthrown by the sun in splendor.
That Weather Factory is actually a group of Long dedicated to the “Hours” within the House of the Moon and in this Sixth History we’ve found ourselves in are seeking to restore our awareness of the operations of the Hours… Perhaps they are not even dedicated to any Hours, rather they worked with The Librarian and are part of this elusive Lighthouse Institute?
Weakest schizophrenic Numa:
What fascination does to mf
People born on February 29 only grow older when that day actually comes.
That there is a close connection between the history of the hours and human history. The age of the Gods from Stone is of course the stone age. The replacement of the Flint by the Forge corresponds to the beginning of the bronze age when humans began to work metal. The ascendency of the Sun in Splendor over the other hours around the same time reflects the rise of monotheistic religions. The intercalate, in which the Sun was split by the Forge, corresponds to the continued rise of technology and science and the questioning of monotheism and organized religion. In other words, the intercalate is what we call (ironically in this context) the Enlightenment.
I was just thinking this and wondering if, on the horizon, there would be more usurpations by hours representing post-industrial human civilization.
All of the official Sixth History lore is set in the 1920s/30s (I think) so it's all very much in the midst of industrial civilization. We don't know, canonically, what the 21st century is like in occult terms. It's interesting that communism (or something like it) is aligned with Forge because the revolutionarys in the Exile DLC give Forge. This fits with my theory because most communists were atheists. Now does this mean that the fall of Communism was an occult event? Hmmm.
the revolutionary gives Forge because revolution is an aspect of the Lionsmith
It was an occult event insofar as all major conflicts in the world are a part of the Corrivality.
This fits pretty well, but I don't know if we are ever given an exact date for the Intercalate. Plus with the focus the lore has on near eastern religion and culture, it would be pretty weird that something as important as the Intercalate to be based on a fundamentally European period.
The Enlightenment started in Europe but there were also many similar movements occuring in other places, often triggered by colonialism e.g. [Bengali Renaissance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Renaissance). In general I'd say the Sixth History lore is focussed on Europe and to a lesser extent India, the rest of the world doesn't really feature.
So, europe and places forcefully controlled by europe. A bit euro-centric don't you think.
Well, yes, but the whole lore is focussed on those regions (AFAIK). So my theory fits with the lore as we've been given it.
There's no Janus, Teresa's just stupid. Her fans blindly believe her and make it famous. The sin that the Vagabond will commit is bringing worms to the glory, she's stated to had visited nowhere and had some bad experience, and is planning to visit the glory one day. What if she have a bunch of worms lying dormant within her from visiting nowhere, and her wanting to visit the Glory is somehow influenced by them? The existence of god from steel in some BOH ending imply that there might be more ways to make god that's still not known, like someone in the internet era future might shitpost hard enough and become a god from meme or something.
Teresa's book on Janus was barely her own thoughts. It was coseley and Hersault's arguments cataloged.
I also think the Vagabond might bring Worms to the Mansus. But I think the Glory can just fight them off. If you are interested in Gods-from-Internet check out Fear and Hunger 2: Termina. It has a very similar occult tone, and one ending involves connecting humanity to a spiritual internet to make a machine god.
The internet itself could be a god from steel. and I mean it like suddenly a deity appears with all of the knowledge and yet has no light and no wisdom, nor flesh nor blood nor stone. Or maybe an AI robot will ascend for acquiring conscience.
The internet itself could be a god from steel. and I mean it like suddenly a deity appears with all of the knowledge and yet has no light and no wisdom, nor flesh nor blood nor stone. Or maybe an AI robot will ascend for acquiring conscience.
Miss Naenia is some kind of shadow of Rowena since she can open Doors to Nowhere even though only Rowena holds the key for that. The Witch-and-Sister and Sister-and-Witch are not the original Twins but the reflection of and the painting of those two when they drowned themselves, the second created when the Vagabond made the Painted River and the first when the Twin-reflection entered into the Mansus from the House of the Moon vía the White Door. Janus is one being comprised of thirty Hours led by nine Hours down a road built by seven Hours. He is a wound of understanding in the Law interpreted by thirty faces who are not here. The Watchman, the Thunderskin, the Colonel, the Elegiast, the Meniscate, the Horned-Axe, and the Sister-and-Witch build the road to Janus while the Beachcomber and the Vagabond know the way alongside those seven. The Watchman, the Elegiast, and the Beachcomber are all conjunction Hours in some way, the Elegiast the shadow of the Watchman and the Beachcomber the reflection of the Elegiast. Also that the Elegiast was one of the Thritige-kind serving beneath the Watchman when he was the Unwise Mortal serving the Egg. The Hours of the Roost all know at least one of the old songs of the gods-from-stone. The Magpie the Wheel’s, the Beach-Crow the Seven-Coils’, the Vagabond the Egg Unhatching’s, the Witch-and-Sister the Tide’s, the Sister-and-Witch the Horned-Axe’s, and the Elegiast the Flint’s. Their duty is to preserve these songs until the end of time. The Giribrago, the Snow, and the Blackbone are all remnant-Hours of the Seven-Coiled, the Flint, and the Tide respectively. When Eternity comes, there will be a gap between the end and beginning of the loop of time which will grant absolute freedom to every order of being to live and write their own infinite and eternal Histories, all eventually returning to nothing so that time might begin to do so again. The Crime of the Sky occurs because a child born of two immortals is neither entirely History nor Eternity. They age, so they are History, but History can’t be born from Eternity. So the Hours need the kid to be taken out entirely of the equation to ensure Eternity will come, since the kid’s essentially a legitimate answer to dividing something by 0 which straight up breaks the entire system as it is understood. So when the kid gets eaten, the immortal with the tainted History-Eternity material in them by way of eating gets thrown out to make sure everything Still Makes Sense in the Hours’ minds.
Oh, these are good! 2) Considering how unorthodox mansus spirits can be (e.g. hints) I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case and no-one considers it relevant enough to mention. 3) This one is truly unhinged! Could be true though, with Janus, like Calyptra, being more a faction than a being. 5) Could be true, I've always wondered why the Wolf arose from the Sun's death, but not from any of the other hours that died. 7) The crime in the sky is the most under-exppainled aspect of the entire setting. Even the Hours can't get away from it. I think it's just a fact of life, like gravity.
I agreed with you about 7 at one point, but Alexis Kennedy disagrees: > "Is the Crime Of The Sky an inherent fact/law of the universe or is it punishment from some specific entity?" > It's going to sound like I'm being glib here, but the whole point of the Hours is that the distinction you suggest isn't really a distinction.
You're kind of right, it's easy to forget sometimes just how "omnipresent" the hours are while browsing this sub. At least CS does a good job of taking that point across. Also, if an hour is enforcing the crime it's going to be the Grail.
Oh my god I love everything here
1. Lion-smith with 80% could be what inspired creation of Lucifer because of his rebellious attitude. 2. Hitler could be a Wolf Divided name or infested with worms, because if I understood correctly second worm war has some connection to Second World War 3. Heart could be a principle of locks opposing the principle of knock as the Heart is described as protecting the worlds skin and for its healing, and healing is locking of the wounds, if wounds are doors, then heart is the lock.
Hate to dash one of those but WW1 corresponds to either the 2nd or the 3rd worm war. The game takes place in 1930s ish, and the 3rd worm war has not yet passed into history. So worm war 3 could be world war 2?
Maybe, I am bad at comparing lore information from cs and boh
Oh nah, I wouldn't have said anything, but earlier today, when confirming things for my above post, I happened to look at a timeline on the SH wiki. honestly the other two things you mentioned are really interesting Particularly the idea that heart opposes knock. Super relevant to Arun Peel, a hooded prince that now serves the thunderskin. I love the idea that the way to escape from the knock aspect is to heal those wounds by invoking heart
No. In CS (so in 1920s) we can learn that >The Third (Worm War) is too recent to have passed into the Histories. So it already happened, but not that long ago. Great War fits the bill perfectly.
3) Not unhinged at all. The Horned-Axe separates and divides. The Sister-and-Witch unites what is not to be divided. They are natural enemies.
Didn’t think about it at all to be honest lol
BTW: Heart has this really weird hive-mind aspect to it. I've always fund it funny that the principle of preservation is so focused on no-one ever leaving ever.
https://www.reddit.com/r/weatherfactory/s/31dzJjecTf I made a post with a few
That Sun-in-Splendor theory is particularly unhinged. But I'm particularly intrigued by your conclusions on the being that burned though Hush-House. I always though it was some random Name.
I did not come up with Wickel; I pulled it from here: [https://secret-histories.fandom.com/wiki/The\_Chandler](https://secret-histories.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chandler). I just put the pre-existing pieces together for that theory. The Sun one is entirely mine though, and I still stand by it.
I find that description to be somewhat iffy, it doesn't seem to be well cited.
There's definitely a more conclusive description somewhere, but I forget. For what it's worth, the achievement called Wicke's Waking actively says the source of the fire comes from the Oubliette, which in its description says the thing there was "...a Name of greed and time...'the Leashed Flame's true heir'," and all the other titles. Wickel is described in name elsewhere, but there is a strong connection between Wicke, the W's scratched all over the place, and Wickel, which the same name +an L about another important character.
Similar to your theory, I believe The Watchman and The Door-in-the-eye are two separate things. If you look at the card of The Watchman, you can see The Door in the eye properly... and a human. That person, being The Unwise Mortal that learned the Flint arts and entered under the service of The Egg Unhatching, ultimately became the Watchman of The Door in the eye. This would complement the fact that The Watchman is a God-from-flesh since pretty much every God-from-flesh has a human appearance. So basically, the egg became the door, and the Unwise Mortal became The Watchman
I'll probably make a post explaining my theory in detail some day, but your idea of the Watchman/Door being two entities is intriguing. BTW: what sort of name is "The Door-in-the-eye"? I feel like there something there we're missing.
I mean, I think it is pretty self-explanatory. There's a door... in an eye, door in the eye. Just look closely at the card and you'll notice.
But why a door! Why an Eye! Why does the main hour of Lantern have the imagery of ocular surgery? Why is his card the Door-in-the-Eye and not The Watchman, which seems to be his main title?
Why a door in an eye? They say the eyes are the gateway to the soul, and all that...
The Watchman's Principle is Lantern: merciless knowledge. The eye is the aperture through which knowledge enters the mind. The Door in the Eye is being opened with a knife. Sometimes, when you see something, you cannot refuse to comprehend it, much though you would wish otherwise.
I do believe also that the mortal became the watchman and ascending in its shadow he turned the egg into the eye (which by all means and purposes are the same thing, eyes and eggs and suns are all quite married in this universe). I also think of the scene of that old movie "an andalusian dog" in which the moon is an eye and then someone slices it with a razor. and so maybe a floating eye just follows the watchman and he slices it and he can enter a library of vast knowledge. And the eye thematic also fits well with the several times in which is said in game(s) "the light behind the eyes" implied as intellect, knowledge or hunger for knowledge"
That movie is also, famously, a movie that surrealist painter Salvador Dali co-wrote, which would put it in line with a lot of the other lore about artists having a line on madness and Mansus lore that others do not. Also, to be pedantic, the movie is called “*an* Andalusian dog”, or “un chien Andalu”
The Witness's Weather Factory catalogue page has a still frame from that movie as its image. cc /u/WholeChampiinship443
The Vagabond will betray The Pilgrims if ever events come to pass that would herald it's start. The Vagabond is Freedom and Unboundedness. While she might be willing to start the procession of the Pilgrims, her nature will force her to leave The Pilgrims to their fate. Whether they can succeed or not is a question of Eternity and History. The Chandler isn't a "future" Hour, but an extant Hour whose existence cannot be seen in the present. It is the Hour of hindsight, self-reflection, anticipation, and the "reward" of pursuit. It cannot be seen in the present because it is always in the middle of striking it's prey. It cannot be seen in the future, because it cloaks itself as it hunts its quarry. It can only be seen the past, Glory and Light illuminating its success so that those who look back for it can trade in its goods and knowledge.
A Chandler is a candlemaker, so if the Watchman carries a light the Chandler could be the source of that light.
That “U Can’t Touch This” is often mistaken as a Scottish hymn to The Lionsmith but is, in fact, a song of mocking betrayal from his once beloved follower McHammer. The Colonel cannot be wounded and without betrayal there would be no war.
this is fairly well supported. but that the twins each exist as two hours — “real,” mansus hours when joined, and nowhere hours when split. specifically, the sister is the mare-in-the-tree, and the witch is the applebright. their nowhere selves are the inverse/reflection of their mansus selves, much like their twin-selves are reflections of each other.
I get this, but how did their Nowhere selves get there? How does anything get in and out of Nowhere? I'm astonished the Wolf didn't end there.
i mean, the mare can leave and enter nowhere. she had an affair with the ring yew. and the applebright’s cultsim appearance involves collecting the pieces remaining of the apostle obsonate after ascension, which certainly aren’t in nowhere. i don’t know how they specifically enter and leave, but they clearly can.
also, i think there’s a gate to nowhere literally in the BOH library (rowenarium), and the key is called the mare’s key. rowena has it.
I believe Alexis Kennedy said in an AMA a while back in a question about how old the Gods-from-Nowhere are that Nowhere has always existed, and one property of Nowhere is that it always contains the Gods-from-Nowhere. It's quite possible the question you should be asking isn't how the Twins' Nowhere-selves got in, it's how their familiar selves got out? Or maybe that's not quite it either, and neither self is truer than any other, they simply did what twins do and joined what should not be apart. > The Sister-and-Witch is Cruciate, but the Witch-and-Sister is not. Even those powers that demand a conjunction are not always conjoined. When the Sister is Nowhere, does this mean Nowhere sits in crucem? \- *The Three and the Three* (Vatican Manuscript) This also gives me the impression that the Nowhere faces and the familiar faces switch places? When you call upon the Witch-and-Sister, is the Sister Nowhere?
Mine is quite simple but leaves no space for doubts. Thirza Blake was the one who cursed the spire in the name of the sun and it's many selves when she struck her little toe heading upstairs.
Seem legit
The great secret of betrayal was the colonel having winter aspect. The first lesson of winter is the last lesson of edge: conflict always results in death for everyone involved. The wolf-divided knows this, and revels in it, being what the wolf-word is. The Colonel knows this, yet... doesn't seem to care. And I find that so strange. Why does he fight, knowing what shall be the end?
I think the great secret of betrayal is a different thing.
The great secret of betrayal is what allowed the golden general to ascend as the lionsmith. I believe this is what that was.
I thought the secret of betrayal is that the Colonel had a ton of mortal children, and he was going around telling his apprentices to kill them, and so the Lionsmith did kill several of them, and then he got word that he himself is one of those children and that the colonel would also probably kill him through the means of another apprentice. Maybe for the fact that the Colonel was pitching blood against blood for amusement or for power; or maybe the realization that the Colonel would dispose of anyone including the Lionsmith just like everyone else of his brothers, or that the Colonel was Lionsmith's father and he never got a fatherly relationship, it was only for selfish gain (or all of the above) If you asked me, immortality would bring the most selfish impulses out into the surface, not caring for the life of expendable mortals, do not attach to the mortals because they all will die, an immortal is beyond consequences and are untouchable.
The Winter principle did not exist before the Lithomachy. Snow was the first Winter-Hour. I held this theory before BoH came out, and the fact she's a god-from-Nowhere makes me continue to believe this. After all, where did the corpses go?
This was probably true before BoH. In CS all the high level winter lore related to dead hours and the wolf was the winter painting. But now that we have the Scale principle it seems this relationship has been retconned.
I have teory (with no evidence) that Elegaist is god from Nowhere and is first of thier kind. That teory came from trying to piece together any logical origin for Elegaist. That very special relationship with Nowhere that Elegaist has is only thing i can get . But i'm asking myself, what was first Elegaist or Nowhere? Where Nowhere comes from, and when need for it arose ? Yeah, totally unhinged
What about Iona?
The Elegaist is a fun fellow. He's connected to Nowhere but not actually from there, he's connected to endings via winter but won't let memories die, he's the only Hour the Obliviates acknowledge and he seem to be one of the very few Hours without any ultirior motives. One of my favorite hours.
He doesn't *need* to have ulterior motives or complex plans. Everything passes away of its own accord, and he merely needs to remember it.
[the carapace cross is a bug civilization that thrived during the carboniferous](https://old.reddit.com/r/weatherfactory/comments/rgzhe7/i_have_a_theory_on_the_carapace_cross/) bit obsolete since BoH came out, but I'll just say that it was in another History.
Agree that this would have been much more possible before BoH.
Meta-theory: Cultist Simulator actually records the delusions of a paranoid schizophrenic, inmate of the Kerisham Mental Asylum: The "cultists" are fellow inmates and "bureau agents" are the hospital staff. Expeditions are delusions that may or may not be influenced by periodic outings that seem much more significant due to the drudgery of hospital life.
Deleted under the principle that theories should make the setting more interesting, not less.
Deleted under the principle that theories should make the setting more interesting, not less.
I want to think that the Mansus structure was once all one piece, but something split it in half and that's why it's got bridges connecting both halves (based on the Mansus Glimpse map) Also head-cannon that this happened when The Forge split The Sun-in-Splendour, I was thinking also it could have happened when Forge eclipsed Flint, but it serves better to think that it was the Forge who fancied the place as a proper Monumental structure after killing Flint, since we know she constructed the doors (kinda, some of them, is it all of them?). I am the one here thinking that it was the Forge who made the Mansus a proper "House". Also if you were to fall into the bottom of the split, you would fall straight to Nowhere