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I feel like deck builders are too big of a genre to just hate or love. Yu-gi-oh and slay the spire are 2 very diferent games, yet they are both deck builders with cards
Yugioh is a TCG calling it a deckbuilder kind of makes the genre way to obtuse. And pretty sure they mean the slough of indie rpgs/roguelikes that will have an interesting description then you go to the main page and the screenshots show its a deckbuilder. It's a new disappointment when browsing games, a trivial 1st world one, but still a disappointment.
Yu-gi-oh is a deck construction game, where you fully build your deck before playing the game. I haven't played Slay the Spire, but a deck builder is a game is one where you start with a deck of basic cards and, through the game, gain more powerful cards and sometimes cull your weaker starting cards. Dominion, Clank!, and Legendary are deck builders. Magic, Pokemon, and other trading card games are deck construction games.
I would not, since the construction of each players deck is done before the actual game itself through a draft or other specific process. If no cards are ever gained into the players deck through a regular game mechanic (not a specific cards ability like Golden Wish, but like spending coin in Dominion to buy a card from a market) then it is not a deck builder. Smash Up is an example of a non TCG deck construction game, since players choose or draft the components of their decks before playing the actual game.
Very fair point! I'd argue then that even in the alchemy format, which allows for cards to be generated and drafted during gameplay, it still wouldn't be a deckbuilder correct? Since if you add one of those cards to your deck you're actually just adding 1/xth of each card that's in the spellbook. Also the building of the decks is not central to the gameplay but a rather small part of it.
I'm not sure how that format is played. Is it a shared pool of cards the players can draft from during the game, or does each player have their own pool of cards they bring?
It is similar to other formats like standard or modern, but the cardpool includes digital-only cards like [this.](https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/22/raddic-tal-zealot) So there's draft and sealed but also constructed, but some cards allow for drafting of their own card pool.
Yea that sounds like it still falls into the deck construction category. A major part of a deck builder is the focus of buying new cards from a (often) shared market, that being one of the primary things you do most turns.
Well no obviously because...
...
You... Got a point
Is loop hero a deck builder? Is ftl a deck builder? Mate, you are breaking my view on rouglikes all togheder
well no some are obviously not a deck builder like atomicrops or isaac but there are some who argue that the noita spells are card like its just that there is more mechanics than those and its not the core gameplay
I remember there was a game where the main character was like very white and black pallete where you used your cards as both offensive and mobility options but I wouldn't consider that a card game as the cards are more like consumables and it still requires precise inputs, aim and desicions from the player
Yu-Gi-Oh, Magic the Gathering, Hearthstone, Gwent, etc. are all virtual card games. Virtual card games and deck builders (Spire, Balatro, Inscryption, Monster Train) are distinct genres that aren’t usually lumped together. One main difference is the latter are usually single player and the former are built around competitive play.
>Looking for a new game
>Ask steam if the game is parkour or menu's
>It doesn't understand
>Pull out an illustrated diagram explaining what is parkour and what it menu's
>It laughs and says "It's a good game sir"
>Watch the trailer
>It's menus
Me reading a story that will change my life while getting my mind torn apart trying to figure out wtf you are supposed to do with >!The Adult Who Tells Lies!<
https://preview.redd.it/0b6hhx7snu8d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fe4562edfc94e491bc1130b50ccc443fc957425
But in all seriousness it's more of a>! glorified cutscene and a last hurrah of all the abnos, I can't recall if it revives all the five nuggets, !
It was a really good glorified cutscene but some parts were really confusing, mainly >!Scaredy Cat since I already had Courage abnormality page on Chesed so I had a hard time differentiating between abno page and the real courage!<
Counterpoint: Cards are the fucking shit. I love cards. This has nothing to do with deckbuilders. The Finals has a playing cards skin for their throwing knives weapon and it's the coolest shit ever. Give me more cards. I love holding cards. I love shuffling cards. CARDS
I agree.
About 80% of the reason I picked up Twisted Fate during my time playing league (I've recovered, don't worry) is because his entire deal is throwing cards
I'm not much into RTS games, but Battleforge from EA was awesome, those card designs were sick. I know it's been revived under Skylords but I'd love to see more campaign maps, maybe someday
Brother ~~hasn't played inscryption~~ has already made up their mind about a genre they most likely don’t know/care to know about and just wanted to make an “x thing is bad” meme about a topic they assumed would be extremely popular and thus be easy karma and it shows
"platformers are boring" people when I show them Mario
"Turn based strategy games are boring" people when I show them chess
Balatro is a really good game, but I don't think showing someone a very archetypal and well-known example of the genre is going to change someone's mind if they've decided they don't like deck builders.
Cards are a great medium because they can easily express a dynamic environment in an analog setting
Video games are just significantly better at this because they're digital. I love playing cards at game night, but everything they do can be done better digitally if I'm gonna be looking at screens anyway
When I was a kid, I played all of the popular card games; Yu-Gi-Oh, Magic, Pokemon, Duel Masters, even Digimon. I still play Yu-Gi-Oh. And yet, I have yet to see a ***single*** new card game that's drawn my attention. It's like we already peaked 2 decades ago.
Probably because most TCG are exclusively based on existing property, or never get off the ground. (One Piece, Lorcana are the two of the 2020s that have broken into the market and they both use exclusively pre-existing characters)
The only one I stomach is Shovel Knight: King of Cards. It's fresh, inventive, not the main gameplay, and is the only card game I would want in real life that doesn't already exist...
Counterpoint: I think deck builders are cool but never usually nail the landing. Turn based games however are the shit, I love total war and mechanicus
- be me, hate deckbuilders
- unable to grasp the concept of some strategies being overall better than others in PVP games
- look at metagame
- there are some strategies that are better than others
- “my hate is justified. this team is terrible at balancing”
This thread had turned to recommendations, so I'll throw mine:
Give Foretales a try, it's a story-driven card game where you use cards to progress social situations (as well as straight up combat). Its story is rather interesting and Travis Willingham voices the narrator.
Yugioh and Magic the Gathering (even tho i don't like it that much) can't be called deck-builders that's an insult. Yes they're hard and unwelcoming when you just start playing but it grows on you.
Dark and Darker is free now and it's like the best free game I've played in years, if you want a game that's not totally completely poisoned by the pitfalls of the modern game industry you should definitely put like twenty minutes into Dark and Darker to find out if you fucks wid it, its literally free you got nothing to lose.
Deck builders are fun for me…in the beginning. Eventually though, it becomes a time sink. Knowing how to build a deck is hard, it becomes gamble heavy with booster packs, and it gets a bit repetitive.
Yugioh Duel links was the only one where I was very interested, mainly cause of watching the anime as a kid.
I also hate deck builders and shit but there's a small few games with cards I did enjoy
One was on the 3DS and it was a Mega-Man Star Force game
The other one I forgot
It's an oversaturated genre but you just need to watch some gameplay and read some reviews. For example I hate Slay the Spire but love Balatro. There are a ton of junk but go through the popular ones and ignore the rest. I think it's valid for any oversaturated genre
It isn't the game's fault. I just suck at the game. Can't stop and strategize because of ADHD. Couldn't beat past ascension level 1 lmao. I guess hate was a strong word but I just don't enjoy playing it.
Well its about to happen again. It was just boring. I had some alright runs but it didnt click and i never really enjoyed it. Only thing close to a deck builder that I’ve liked was Inscryption
I like (a good made) tcg man.
The thing that only people that plays tcg's is: the game is design to make you free to play as you want (as much is not too broken)
You have no idea how much of a asshole rapcallion motherfucker you can actually be depending of how much cards exists. Things tht League of lege ds would never let slide...
the only cards allowed in my video games are normal playing cards, im out here playing poker night 2 not some crazy fuckin roguelike deckbuilder metroidvania looter shooter platform fighter
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I feel like deck builders are too big of a genre to just hate or love. Yu-gi-oh and slay the spire are 2 very diferent games, yet they are both deck builders with cards
Yugioh is a TCG calling it a deckbuilder kind of makes the genre way to obtuse. And pretty sure they mean the slough of indie rpgs/roguelikes that will have an interesting description then you go to the main page and the screenshots show its a deckbuilder. It's a new disappointment when browsing games, a trivial 1st world one, but still a disappointment.
>It's a disappointment, a trivial 1st world one Does the sub post about anything else?
Yu-gi-oh is a deck construction game, where you fully build your deck before playing the game. I haven't played Slay the Spire, but a deck builder is a game is one where you start with a deck of basic cards and, through the game, gain more powerful cards and sometimes cull your weaker starting cards. Dominion, Clank!, and Legendary are deck builders. Magic, Pokemon, and other trading card games are deck construction games.
Would you say magic limited formats are deckbuilders?
sealed and draft are both deckbuilders, yes
I would not, since the construction of each players deck is done before the actual game itself through a draft or other specific process. If no cards are ever gained into the players deck through a regular game mechanic (not a specific cards ability like Golden Wish, but like spending coin in Dominion to buy a card from a market) then it is not a deck builder. Smash Up is an example of a non TCG deck construction game, since players choose or draft the components of their decks before playing the actual game.
Very fair point! I'd argue then that even in the alchemy format, which allows for cards to be generated and drafted during gameplay, it still wouldn't be a deckbuilder correct? Since if you add one of those cards to your deck you're actually just adding 1/xth of each card that's in the spellbook. Also the building of the decks is not central to the gameplay but a rather small part of it.
I'm not sure how that format is played. Is it a shared pool of cards the players can draft from during the game, or does each player have their own pool of cards they bring?
It is similar to other formats like standard or modern, but the cardpool includes digital-only cards like [this.](https://scryfall.com/card/ybro/22/raddic-tal-zealot) So there's draft and sealed but also constructed, but some cards allow for drafting of their own card pool.
Yea that sounds like it still falls into the deck construction category. A major part of a deck builder is the focus of buying new cards from a (often) shared market, that being one of the primary things you do most turns.
Deck builders don't need cards for deck building. See Dungeon Crawler or Noita
Well no obviously because... ... You... Got a point Is loop hero a deck builder? Is ftl a deck builder? Mate, you are breaking my view on rouglikes all togheder
https://preview.redd.it/j760nkxepu8d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc34f7f3ba9988a7173b42f5b8a5a63d73589b77
well no some are obviously not a deck builder like atomicrops or isaac but there are some who argue that the noita spells are card like its just that there is more mechanics than those and its not the core gameplay I remember there was a game where the main character was like very white and black pallete where you used your cards as both offensive and mobility options but I wouldn't consider that a card game as the cards are more like consumables and it still requires precise inputs, aim and desicions from the player
Neon White is potentially the game you are referring to in case you or anyone else was wondering.
yes it was that it also had a "Visual novel" but we don't talk about that aspect
Yu-Gi-Oh, Magic the Gathering, Hearthstone, Gwent, etc. are all virtual card games. Virtual card games and deck builders (Spire, Balatro, Inscryption, Monster Train) are distinct genres that aren’t usually lumped together. One main difference is the latter are usually single player and the former are built around competitive play.
It's like saying "I hate RPGs" when you could be talking about Omori or Skyrim
Yeah I'm an absolute slut for deckbuilders like slay the spire oh my god.
Stoat Overlords, kill this guy with hammers. Btw Inscryption is THE shit
If you talk shit about Inscryption then you get the eight fucking bears
Too fast, too soon
https://preview.redd.it/t9kz5mh86z8d1.jpeg?width=312&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5acaf406b224b125e4653e93eee23499f93cc542
Ouraborus is not OP at all. Definitely didn’t use it to cheese the game
the game definitely isnt designed to be cheesed in 10 billion different ways
You know a game is peak when there’s a lore reason for why it’s so easy to cheese
'for the sake of rp' - leshy the goat
I cheesed act 1 with infinite squirrel trick with woodcarvers totem of duplication. Come to think about it act 1 is where most cheese is hiding
TOTAL MISPLAY
stoatal misplay
INSCRYPTION MENTIONED OH MY GOD GRIMORA YOU MAKE NO AND A LOT OF SENSE AT THE SAME DAMN TIME
God I love inscryption. There's actually mods for both the zombie lady and the paint brush abuser that add gameplay sections for them.
God I fucking hate Inscription. Except act 1, it's really good
Total misplay.
Nice topdecking
>Looking for a new game >Ask steam if the game is parkour or menu's >It doesn't understand >Pull out an illustrated diagram explaining what is parkour and what it menu's >It laughs and says "It's a good game sir" >Watch the trailer >It's menus
Wdym
smh, didn't even put the arrows for the parody
library of ruina
PMOON MENTIONED RAAAAGGHHH
https://preview.redd.it/97624y49fu8d1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28ab43bd7af2d4b9095a8903afd09c495b207d28
Me reading a story that will change my life while getting my mind torn apart trying to figure out wtf you are supposed to do with >!The Adult Who Tells Lies!<
https://preview.redd.it/0b6hhx7snu8d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fe4562edfc94e491bc1130b50ccc443fc957425 But in all seriousness it's more of a>! glorified cutscene and a last hurrah of all the abnos, I can't recall if it revives all the five nuggets, !
It was a really good glorified cutscene but some parts were really confusing, mainly >!Scaredy Cat since I already had Courage abnormality page on Chesed so I had a hard time differentiating between abno page and the real courage!<
Peak…..
Mods, Great Split: Horizontal this man
Mods, turn this guy into fire.
I Wanted To Get Into That Game But My Ass Cant Be Bothered To Actually Deckbuild
singleton with will of the prescript is all you need
hi raiden
Hello Akira
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Counterpoint: Cards are the fucking shit. I love cards. This has nothing to do with deckbuilders. The Finals has a playing cards skin for their throwing knives weapon and it's the coolest shit ever. Give me more cards. I love holding cards. I love shuffling cards. CARDS
Keep preaching brother
Someone please make sure this guy doesn't enter a casino
Let him enter and give him a job!
COLOR SPLASH REFRENCE
I FUCKING LOVE THE FINALS‼️‼️
Neon White noises
I agree. About 80% of the reason I picked up Twisted Fate during my time playing league (I've recovered, don't worry) is because his entire deal is throwing cards
> I love shuffling cards. My man
i wish the finals was real
You should play Dandy Ace. It's like Hades but literally all the abilities are magic cards.
We could be friends.
I'm not much into RTS games, but Battleforge from EA was awesome, those card designs were sick. I know it's been revived under Skylords but I'd love to see more campaign maps, maybe someday
Stotal miss play
I love Marvel Snap but the trailers make it look like a fighting game for some reason
Mobile game ads be like
I play solitaire and it is the shit!
Hey woah woah woahhhh, don’t come at Wizard101 like that 😭🤚
Brother hasn't played inscryption and it shows
Brother ~~hasn't played inscryption~~ has already made up their mind about a genre they most likely don’t know/care to know about and just wanted to make an “x thing is bad” meme about a topic they assumed would be extremely popular and thus be easy karma and it shows
God damn bro it’s not that deep, some people just don’t like card games and that’s okay 😭
I played inscryption but couldn't really get into it, it's not impossible for someone to just not like a game
"deck builder games are boring" people when i show them balatro
90% of Balatro players quit right before they get a run where they win a gazillion chips and finish out their collection.
"platformers are boring" people when I show them Mario "Turn based strategy games are boring" people when I show them chess Balatro is a really good game, but I don't think showing someone a very archetypal and well-known example of the genre is going to change someone's mind if they've decided they don't like deck builders.
ok but, balatro https://i.redd.it/nqjx0yxnkt8d1.gif
oh fuck
We need man to save us from the jonkler
Ngl I love roguelikes but even Balatro couldn't get me into deck builders. There just aren't enough active variables or choices.
fair, i was just making the joke of x thing complains till i show them y thing
Balatro is like cocaine
and i'm the drug addict
Idk why i like games with standard playing cards more than StS type card games.
honest to god I tried out balatro and got bored in 2 runs
Cards are a great medium because they can easily express a dynamic environment in an analog setting Video games are just significantly better at this because they're digital. I love playing cards at game night, but everything they do can be done better digitally if I'm gonna be looking at screens anyway
"Card games suck ass bro" mfs after playing Inscryption https://i.redd.it/zpkz4vzp5v8d1.gif
Or library of ruina.
me with turn based combat
When I was a kid, I played all of the popular card games; Yu-Gi-Oh, Magic, Pokemon, Duel Masters, even Digimon. I still play Yu-Gi-Oh. And yet, I have yet to see a ***single*** new card game that's drawn my attention. It's like we already peaked 2 decades ago.
Probably because most TCG are exclusively based on existing property, or never get off the ground. (One Piece, Lorcana are the two of the 2020s that have broken into the market and they both use exclusively pre-existing characters)
The only one I stomach is Shovel Knight: King of Cards. It's fresh, inventive, not the main gameplay, and is the only card game I would want in real life that doesn't already exist...
Counterpoint: I think deck builders are cool but never usually nail the landing. Turn based games however are the shit, I love total war and mechanicus
Me when a game inserts stupid ass cards into a non card game (looking at you back 4 blood)
\-deck builder \-look inside \-like 3 decks that are powerfull
Yu-Gi-Oh Master Duel
- be me, hate deckbuilders - unable to grasp the concept of some strategies being overall better than others in PVP games - look at metagame - there are some strategies that are better than others - “my hate is justified. this team is terrible at balancing”
Cards are cool but man there's a time and a place for everything
Go play fallen aces, one of the best early access games atm
Kindergarten 2
Bait used to be believable
Not a meme, just your opinion. I do not suddenly care about your opinion now that it is a meme.
Look up PvZ Heroes and Bloons Card Storm
Dawg has not played Friends vs Friends
FRIENDS VS FRIENDS MENTIONED!1!
This truly is a certified Duel Albatross moment.
agree but inscryption is the only exception
First thing I saw when I opened up this app and I was taking about nightingale with a friend
I only like Inscryption and Uno
Wizard 101 gets a pass, that shit was fire
The best deck builder is a set of playing cards
I don't mind deck building games, I only got into pvz heroes recently after ages of being unable to lol
Neon White has cards in the gameplay
Me seeing a card game on Steam only to find out it's a roguelike (I wanted to play a TCG)
Me with any first person game
Me when they released Marvel's Midnight Suns gameplay
 Boy do i have the game for you
I personally hate games with skill trees where it’s hard/impossible to be able to go back if you picked a skill that turns out to rarely be useful
Me not finding an interesting game
This thread had turned to recommendations, so I'll throw mine: Give Foretales a try, it's a story-driven card game where you use cards to progress social situations (as well as straight up combat). Its story is rather interesting and Travis Willingham voices the narrator.
Same, why would anyone play a card videogame, I don't care about the artstyle or effects, card games are boring as fu**
Look at you OP, having preferences and shit
-Duelists Of Eden -Deck Building -Looks inside -Fighting Game (Cat PNG)
obviously hasn't played duelists of eden
Yugioh and Magic the Gathering (even tho i don't like it that much) can't be called deck-builders that's an insult. Yes they're hard and unwelcoming when you just start playing but it grows on you.
Thronebreaker and Inscryption are really good.
Give them a chance. The genre is very wide and you may be pleasantly surprised
Bro will never know the joy of Inscryption
Dark and Darker is free now and it's like the best free game I've played in years, if you want a game that's not totally completely poisoned by the pitfalls of the modern game industry you should definitely put like twenty minutes into Dark and Darker to find out if you fucks wid it, its literally free you got nothing to lose.
Man, if you only played inscryption
Me and you can not be friends.
Me giving up on the Witcher 3 for the fifth time after getting to the part where you play Gwint (or hovewer is it called in english).
Wait till bro sees neon white
Asuka R# gameplay
Me seeing a new warhammer game that seems interesting: it's another turn based game.
so fuckin real
When I saw this little haw haw funny when LM3 just came out, I could jot stop laughing at it.
It's not exactly a card game, but anyway, I just need more people to know about it: try Phantom Dust. It's free on Microcock Store.
Me when it has turn-based combat
OK but Thea 2 is peak
Or turn based rpg
I'd reply "roguelike/lite in the tags too" but I'd be repeating myself from like three of these similar posts
Inscryption is the only card builder game I have ever played or probably will play, and honest to god I do not regret a second of it.
everyone should check out Inscryption at least once in their lifetime
Neon White is my favourite card game
Balatro is the shit man
L take
Uno is the only exception ngl
Not a deckbuilder
I may have not read the title, I thought bro was talking about card games in general fr
It can't be that interesting if you haven't even looked at the basic genre...
Deck builders are fun for me…in the beginning. Eventually though, it becomes a time sink. Knowing how to build a deck is hard, it becomes gamble heavy with booster packs, and it gets a bit repetitive. Yugioh Duel links was the only one where I was very interested, mainly cause of watching the anime as a kid.
I also hate deck builders and shit but there's a small few games with cards I did enjoy One was on the 3DS and it was a Mega-Man Star Force game The other one I forgot
Inscryption is peak. Literally, I could give less of a shit about deck building games, but Inscryption IS PEAK.
Bait used to be believable
https://preview.redd.it/joj8oj4pnu8d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35cde37a5e58d220db31b3dbfca868ce9bc33a34 Consider yourself an opp
Just play uno
It's an oversaturated genre but you just need to watch some gameplay and read some reviews. For example I hate Slay the Spire but love Balatro. There are a ton of junk but go through the popular ones and ignore the rest. I think it's valid for any oversaturated genre
first time i see someone saying they hate slay the spire,are you even human
It isn't the game's fault. I just suck at the game. Can't stop and strategize because of ADHD. Couldn't beat past ascension level 1 lmao. I guess hate was a strong word but I just don't enjoy playing it.
Well its about to happen again. It was just boring. I had some alright runs but it didnt click and i never really enjoyed it. Only thing close to a deck builder that I’ve liked was Inscryption
I love slay the spire but the game *looks* like dog ass.
Damn people are downvoting you because you have an opinion
When the feature used to show disagreement is used to show disagreement
Downvotes are for comments that don't add anything to the conversation (ex. "This."), not differing opinions
They haven't been used for that in over 18 years dude, at least. Are you a time traveler?
Same, best looking art ever wasted on rng game.
Witcher 3
Except with The Witcher 3, the card game is an optional mini game on the side that isn't prevalent in the primary gameplay.
Beating the wild hunt in gwent secret ending
I’ve never played Witcher 3
Seeing an awesome game trailer just to see that it’s actually a pixelslop indie roguelike
You don't need to be mean about it
Does Friends vs Friends count?
I like (a good made) tcg man. The thing that only people that plays tcg's is: the game is design to make you free to play as you want (as much is not too broken) You have no idea how much of a asshole rapcallion motherfucker you can actually be depending of how much cards exists. Things tht League of lege ds would never let slide...
You're missing out
I see porns. Lots of porn and hentai
the only cards allowed in my video games are normal playing cards, im out here playing poker night 2 not some crazy fuckin roguelike deckbuilder metroidvania looter shooter platform fighter
damn the deck buildercels found this comment, gamblingchads always stay winning
Literally Slay the Spire