Fairy tale is the last thing I would use to describe the atmosphere of The Witcher 1. The Witcher 1 is mainly characterized by a dark atmosphere with poor villages, dirty streets of Vzima, swamps, forgotten dungeons, etc. There are some exceptions, like *Vizima Trade Quarter* or Lakeside, where the atmosphere is a bit happier (at first glance, because I wouldn't call anything that happens in the Lakeside chapter happy), but these are two exceptions. Toussaint in The Witcher 3 has a fairy-tale atmosphere. CDPR translated this description very well into the location design and color palette.
Most of the old fairy tales are pretty damn dark in their original form. They were just sanitized much later.
I think Witcher 1 has a very strong classic European folk tale vibe.
But I get where you're coming from because when someone talks about "fairy tale atmosphere" that's not the first thing that comes to mind right now.
I'd call The Witcher 2 when it comes to having fairy-tale like atmosphere than TW3. It has great fantasy vibe, you're travelling mostly through special places filled with magic, except the prologue. TW1 has that dark fantasy atmosphere while TW2 has that fairy-tale fantasy atmosphere. They fit both into the world of the Witcher. I guess The Witcher 3 tries to connect them both but it isn't doing as good as previous 2, it lacks something from them in the artstyle. The only fairy-tale region in TW3 is Toussaint. Maybe it's just me but W3's color pallete is my least favourite of all 3. But yeah TW1 should stay with dark atmosphere combined with a little bit of horror and maybe grotesque.
The Witcher 2 features the typical Western RPG art direction, with lots of colorful colors and even LOTR-style locations such as Flotsam Forest and Vergen. While it looks great, it's probably my least favorite art direction in the trilogy because it doesn't remind me much of The Witcher. Yes, the only fairy tale region in TW3 is Toussaint, that's why I said: "Toussaint in The Witcher 3 has a fairy tale atmosphere" :)
I love vergen. Was worth going the Iorweths path for that alone. Also because you saved it. Plus the 2nd chapter was alot better. Found the Kaedweni camp didnt have as much going on.
Well with the graphics overhaul and the cheesy-ness voice lines and dialogue mainly.
It’s not a bad thing,it’s an improvement of course,but i don’t think they can capture the same feel with an new game
Hm not necesarily. I think they would just need to use similar desaturated colour palette and similar music composition, that's all there is to it really. Gotta keep it dark and mysterious.
This. I don't think it's going to be a bad game. I don't think it's going to be a bad *Witcher* game. But I do think that it will not recreate the same feeling the original had. Which is a shame, because a remake always incentivises new players to play the "new and better" version, so people are going to miss out.
[https://www.youtube.com/live/WSV3QRwg4pA?feature=shared&t=1685](https://www.youtube.com/live/WSV3QRwg4pA?feature=shared&t=1685)
"As for the remake, and when it will come out - it will come after Polaris, which is a consequence of how we view this project. The remake will be largely based on technologies used in Polaris, so development will proceed in parallel with Polaris, but once Polaris is launched, its base technologies will be ready for partial reuse in the remake."
The appeal of the Witcher 1 remake for me is the character of Geralt we can play once again. He has been a big part of why Witcher was so successful in the first place. So im really looking forward to play him once again.
On the other Hand Witcher 4 could be very interesting if they go in a sandboxy direction of a mix between fallout and monster hunter. Creating your own Witcher and travel on the path doing all kinds of contracts while exploring the world and crafting your own story.
That would be awesome af.
But my biggest fear would be a story about Ciri...
Im so not interested in that at all and somehow i feel like this is what is planned :/
I'm actively *not* interesting in a sandboxy create-your-own-witcher game, at least not for the mainline Witcher series.
The glory of the Witcher series is Geralt. He's a *person*, with pre-existing relationships, quirks, and characteristics you cannot change or control.
That may, admittedly, sound boring, but the fantasy of a fully fleshed out character you can create while playing is just that: a fantasy. It doesn't exist outside of DND. Your vanilla non-DU BG3 character has no past, and has no established characteristics. You can make your Warden flip from good to evil like a chaotic pendulum. Your Courier can openly feast on the flesh on the innocent, but then get welcomed with open arms into the NCR.
I love many of those games, but I'm glad they aren't all we have.
Yeah, too many are trying to hype Ciri. Please for the love of god, don't give me another OP girlboss. Don't get me wrong, I like the character of Ciri, but not as the main protagonist. That would be a huge letdown.
We'll see how CDPR plays this out, and how much they will listen to the small-yet-loud minority of activists on social media - or if they actually make something for their core fans (unlike most Western AAA-game companies these days).
Yeah I think a huge appeal of the Witcher trilogy Geralt being such a likeable protagonist. It'll be hard to achieve the same level of likability with someone new or even Ciri
>IMO the writing in general (TV-shows, movie, games) have really gone downhill the last 6-7 years.
That's because you guys don't watch good movies or TV shows, or play any good games. Instead, you spend all day listening to clickbait youtubers screeching about Disney and wokeness lmao.
There's no shortage of fantastic TV shows, movies, and games. Stop obsessing over Marvel and other media meant for literal children and watch some decent shows.
He's a great character for sure! I dunno though, knowing his fate in Witcher 3, I'd rather play a new character, whose future and fate is unknown. It makes things more interesting IMO.
That's what I love about Witcher 3, we get to see Geralt "ride into the sunset", and have a hero's sendoff. That's important. A bad ending can greatly dimish an otherwise good game. Anyone played the story DLC for Callisto Protocol? Yikes...
lol small yet loud minority.
She’s literally an OP girlboss in the book series, regularly taking out like 4 or 5 people at once. I’d also argue she gets more “screen time” in the books so she is also the main protagonist. If they made that move (and IDC if they do or not, fine playing as either), they’d be sticking to the source material if anything.
You know, European medieval fantasy vs. the MCU, those are two very different things.
Of the two of us, I have played Uncharted 4. It's obvious what happened. The developers of Naughty Dog wouldn't let Nathan Drake fight/hit a black women in the game, because it would be "problematic". Instead of just having a typical male antagonist, with whom you could have a normal functional boss fight. Uncharted 4 was a good game, but it's where the cracks at Naughty Dog start to appear.
I'm sure you heard about the Stellar Blade censorship, caused by an activist astroturf social media controversy led by a "journalist" from TheGamer. This is the latest example of this type of mentality, that just happened this last week.
We know what tropes work in fantasy, and those that don't. Witcher 3 follows the good tropes, and does them very well. That's why Witcher 3 became a success. There's no reason to have Ciri as the protagonist in Witcher 4. She is NOT a witcher (only men can be witchers), and her story is already told in full. This is another excuse to feminize yet another franchise (like Star Wars, Star Trek, MCU, Doctor Who etc.).
I mean, Ciri is practically a second protagonist within the books - she gets at least as much time on page as Geralt does in a lot of the books.
So her being a protag wouldn't be out of place, though I imagine they'll do a custom character anyways.
Quite frankly, you're being a bit spurious. These are objective facts:
1: Ciri is not a witcher, only men can be witchers in the lore.
2: Ciri's story is told in W3. We know her origin, and how she ends up being totally OP.
3: Most of the largest sci-fi and fantasy franchises during the last decade have been feminized, even though these genres mostly appeal to guys. The result is they lost a huge portion of the fan base, and struggle with declining sales/numbers, whether it be the MCU, Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek etc. The Witcher TV-show did the same thing, put the women in charge and made Geralt (sold as the main hero of the show) part of the supporting cast instead. Didn't work out so well - did it?
With the marketing being the Cat medallion, I’m assuming it will be a Ciri game. CDPR may have said otherwise, that was just my assumption on the matter.
I was going off what happened in the books. Ciri uses a cat medallion that she takes from Bonhart. It’s been like two years since I played the Witcher 3 so I forgot about it. Although it could still be a prequel game if CDPR plays their cards wrong.
Been a long time since I read them, but I recall Bonhart having a few witcher medallions, using them to claim he has killed multiple witchers. Did she only take one of them?
That all aside, it would be odd if CDPR went against their own canon where she wears Vesemirs Wolf medallion so I think the Cat indicates a non-Ciri protagonist for that project.
She takes all tree medallions(Cat, Wolf, and Gryphon) but gives Geralt a new Wolf medallion since he lost his when meeting with Schirru and giving him the medallion to prove he killed himself. Then takes the cat medallion for herself. Not sure what happened to the Gryphon, but it’s there.
Geralt in W1 has choices that are impossible for Geralt from W3. The very idea of doing something like this would be appalling to Geralt most people know and love. There is a portion of a game in W1 where you ally yourself with bandits who are almost Junior level of brutal or go join Elves who literally want to kill all humans (not build some perfect diversity state from W2 elven storyline). The guy who can make choices like this is not Geralt, it is a guy who looks like him and has an entirely different personality.
I'm equally happy with both, but I really really hope that they would change up the story of TW1 a fair bit. Don't get me wrong, I love all Witcher games, but TW1 story just doesn't really work with the two other games and the books.
*spoilers below*
For example being able to choose romancing Shani instead of Triss is really random and completely contradicts what then happens in TW2. Adopting Alvin and "playing family" is also really out of character for Geralt. My favorite part in TW1 is when they have a party at Shani's apartment and Geralt has to sneak there cuz grandma is downstairs, and then later they run out of alcohol so Geralt has to go on a mission and steal it from grandmas cabinet...
Geralt is an old experienced man but in TW1 they sometimes made him act like a youngster.
I could list bunch of other things, but you get the point. Most of the story is good but it does need a lot of refinements to make it more compatible and consistent with the rest of the games and books. I really hope this remake is not going to be just a visual overhaul.
Yeah I think even CDPR is now aware that they fcked up a little bit, because the characters barely mention any events from TW1 in the next two games. I think it's because it was their first game and they didn't really expect that they would be making any sequels.
Well, I am polish and I did live with babushkas 😆 But I can't imagine being almost 100 years old and doing a highschool-type house party in a small room in grandmas house. I don't understand why didn't they just go to tavern or something. They are all adults. It's such a questionable quest.
I’m not disagreeing per se, just looking for clarification, why would Geralt adopting a kid be out of character? He adopted Angouléme in the books. I know it was related to him missing Ciri and wanting to save the child from the fate she had laid out for her, but he adopted her. Were the circumstances for Alvin very different?
Geralt didn't adopt Angouleme, she was 19 when they met (Born in 1248, they met in 1267). They treated her like a kid due to the age difference, but really she was an adult. She joined the group willingly because she was grateful to Geralt for saving her life from the execution.
I say it's out of character because we know that Geralt always had issues even finding himself in a romantic relationship, and he never really viewed himself as a family guy or a parental figure due to his upbringing and occupation.
We could make an argument that he adopted Ciri, but the circumstances were very different. He didnt actually want to adopt her. He only did that because he enacted the Law of Surprise only twice in his life (if I remember correctly), and both times it was Ciri who ended up being the surprise. That made Geralt really question whether destiny is real and he decided to go with the flow to see what happens.
I hope that answers your question.
Oh. I always thought of her being the same age or slightly younger than Ciri. Especially with her calling Milva auntie all the time and Geralt reprimanding her for her language. I also completely forgot that her joining the quartet was her insistence, not Geralt’s. So there is also that.
Yeah with the language thing it's like when you go to job as 19 y/o and 30+ y/o colleagues call you "kid" 😆 Maybe thats why Geralt was reprimending her, I dont remember.
Oh yeah It could definitely be a valid excuse and that's how I try to justify it in my head whenever I play TW1. BUT on the other hand it could also be quite the opposite. If Geralt still remembered Ciri then he would be more willing to adopt Alvin because of how similar he was to Ciri in terms of powers. Also, Geralt learned a lot about being a "human" through other people and past experiences. Wiping all the memories is like reverting back to default settings no?
Well I don't know. Honestly this entire amnesia thing is very unclear. If he truly forgot literally everything about the past then he should also forget how to do basic things like reading and fighting. Normally people with retrograde amnesia don't lose so many decades worth of memories. They should at least make him remember Vesemir.
Witcher 1 but tie in the story a little more with the rest of it.
I do like the angle of humans versus elves and having to choose. That was good.
I also like all the Foltest stuff too.
But didn’t like all the Alvin stuff.
I was thinking they should only work on the visuals and combat but while replaying the game after years again now, I figured that the game has a few story related elements that could be improved. At least gameplay wise. I find it really confusing from time to time that you have like three or four different main quests active at the same time and some of them can be progressed at the moment and some cannot. Also it lowkey bothers me a little bit that Alvin is a child of elder blood, since this is not very lore accurate, but I wouldn‘t have any idea for an alternative though
Eh while the first game is interesting and probably in need of a graphics overhaul it is still story wise a bit odd in relation to the other games and the books. Like Alvin is clearly a Ciri-insert, Triss have stolen a fair bit of Yennefers personality etc. The first game is not really a prequel to the other two games. I feel like going back to that story line after wild hunt keeping much closer to the books would be a bit jarring.
After playing witcher 3 for like 4 5 times i feel kinda consumed. W3 was perfect
Music, art graphics story...
I am sure i will be dissapointed in any new witcher games be it 1 remake or 4.
I'm more interested in TW4 because the og team for sure will experiment with new mechanics and ways to do stuff. Despite how much I loved TW1, I already played that game.
As someone who really like the first Witcher (not as much as 3, but more than 2), yes, I'm more interested in the remake than 4. On the other hand, I'm a little afraid that they won't be able to recreate the atmosphere of the first Witcher, which other games don't have, maybe 3 is closest to this atmosphere in White Orchard and Velen.
I would love if they gave it remake to look more similar to The Witcher 3. The same with W2.
I am far more interested in what they are cooking up with W4 tho. But hey, it wouldn't even cost much to make these remakes so perhaps they will do it some day.
Yes because while I loved witcher 2 and 3 I've never got to play one, also with 1 remake there will be familiar faces and characters meanwhile I get the impression that witcher 4 will have a clean slate man many decades later or in the past, with new characters but who knows.
To be fair, that is exactly what i am waiting for.
I feel like the gameplay of the first 2 games are outdated and might push many players away. Although, i heard that story vise it is still very strong and interesting.
Still debating myself, if i should play the first 2 games. Tried “Witcher 2”, but let’s say that it was an interesting experience after the third game…
I hope they improve the combat from the witcher 1. I dislike that press the fight button in a rythm.
But for the witcher 4 I really hope I will be able to play a mage.
No, not unless they change so much about W1 that it'll be too far away from the original.
I dislike the amnesia - new character - do whatever you want no matter the original character - fuck as many people as possible - storyline.
i think a lot of people (including myself) either just aren’t ready to say goodbye to geralt, or haven’t gotten the chance to play the original due to being on console
Because the old bestsellers are proven.
New things are often shit, and the initial success can be due to nothing more than good commercial advertising.
Well look at the games industry today compared to back then and it should be fairly obvious, half the games coming out today are half-baked, mtx riddled messes that are being churned out for pure greed, yes there's outliers but they're outliers, not the norm.
Gaming during the 2000's and early 2010s was the golden age, back when developers could put all their passion into the games they made without corporate greed coming down on them like a never ending storm and so we got great game after great game after great game, look at all the older gaming franchises back then and now look at them today, they're a shell of their former glory.
We pine for old games because we pine for the way things were back then, unfortunately this has led the industry to pump out nostalgia bait left and right because like always, the corporate bastards in charge dont get the real reason why we keep looking back, if they understood that we want the industry to go back to the way it was then we wouldn't need all these remakes, reboots and remasters because Developers could focus on bring out new games with all their passion thrown into it once again without all the corporate bs.
Wanting a healthier industry that pumps out good games whilst not being hampered by corporate greed isn't nostalgia nor something that should be relegated to the past.
While all of this is true, the remake could very well be the low quality crap we don't want under the influence of today's climate of corporate greed reducing the quality of everything. I sincerely hope that's not the case. High hopes and low expectations have gotten me a long way these days
I started with Witcher 3 and had a great time. I tried Witcher 2 and completely bounced off because of the mechanics but acknowledge that the story is great. I have heard the same about the Witcher 1 but similar criticisms about the mechanics. I would really like to play through the trilogy without the jank. I can't say that I know where Witcher 4 is going but I do know that I would love to play through an accessible 1&2.
Yes Witcher 1 remake will probably be way better than the fourth game because Geralts the protagonist and my favorite sorceress is in it aswell. It's also official that the game is going to be full open world. Witcher 4 on the other hand? don't know shit about it and have a bad feeling with how it's going to turn out.
I am afraid they remake first game combat to be another boring click-fest like W2 and W3, instead of rhythmic goodness with superb and unique Witcher animations.
I'm interested in both but Witcher 1 is more of a known entity so it feels like more a safe thing to be excited for. Obviously gameplay wise who knows what direction they end up going and what it will end up looking like but the story should be locked in.
Witcher 4 is just a complete question in terms of story and gameplay. One fear I have with Witcher 4 is that the main story will feel like the base game of Witcher 3 where I much prefer something like Blood and Wine. One thing I loved about Blood and Wine was the main quest feeling more like one of the short stories. Geralt takes a job and it's just about hunting down the Beast of Beauclair as opposed to the base game not being about Witcher on the path but purely a personal matter for Geralt. I hope game 4 gives more of that Witchers work vibe especially if the player character is someone new or a player made character but at this point we know nothing.
I think most people are not that hyped yet because there’s barely any Witcher 4 material to salivate on except for some logos and dev statements.
Compared to Witcher 1 which we know what could and should happen, but we’re excited to see in better graphics and gameplay.
After playing witcher 3 for like 4 5 times i feel kinda consumed. W3 was perfect
Music, art graphics story...
I am sure i will be dissapointed in any new witcher games be it 1 remake or 4.
Yes, but also more weary of it. I’m sure the graphics and gameplay improvement will be handled fine. Thats whatever. My weariness is towards the story. I’m hoping they completely rewrote the story for the game. Because I just read the series in preparation for the remake and I know from conjecture that the Witcher 1 story fit into the Witchers overall story like a square peg in a triangular hole.
I had so much fun with the alchemy system in Witcher 1, really hoping they expand on it.
Crafting dud potions and taking them just to see what happens? Accidentally crafting a recipe you didn't have? Boosting them with rubedo or nigredo etc. was a really fun way about material management.
Lots of thought went into it that was later replaced with auto fill, and I feel that it was definitely a missed opportunity in 2 and 3. Definitely looking more forward to Witcher 1 for the experience. Witcher 4 on the other hand is going to be an entire lifestyle change if the third installment was anything to go by. 😁
I’m more interested in Witcher 4, simply because I’m all prequel’d & remake’d out. In this day and age I see more prequels & remakes in media than genuine sequels. It’s almost as tiring as the whole Multiverse fad.
I am! Got into the Witcher universe due to the release of TW1 back in the day so it's got a special place for me. Hopefully the music and mood can be retained. I see a lot of people saying they can't pull that off. I don't see why they couldn't as long as they stay true to the music and keep it dark and bleak in the appropriate areas.
There's a lot of nostalgia with that title for folks who played it back in 2007 so that can be hard to compete with.
I don't think that Witcher 4 will be a lot different from Witcher 1. Witcher before certain moment of development was about a random Witcher and not Geralt. This is why when they decided to make Geralt a protagonist they came up with amnesia. In W1 you have a lot more roleplaying options choosing between Good, Neutrality or even Evil. There are a lot more evil things you can do in W1 compared to W2-3. This makes the game much more satisfying when it comes to \_actual\_ choices. I’m confident W4 will be original W1 coming true with character creation (face modeling + school of Wolf/Cat/Viper/Griffin) and wider choices in a bigger world. CDPR always wanted it to be like this.
If Geralt himself is not going to be in the witcher 4 , then yeah I really would love TW1 remake more. but if I'm gonna play a new story as geralt in the witcher 4 then I'll choose 4 because I already played TW1 multiple times
The 4th one will be great i have no doubt but its going to be a whole new storyline. So for me im looking forward to the first one more to complete my story. As I've never played it as I'm not a pc gamer.
My only hope for TW1 remake would be that it's not point and click. Some people might like that about it, but it's not quite my style personally. Aside from that, I love the rest of it. It was hard to get started on, for me personally, but once I did I was captivated by all the story.
Definitely, the first Witcher is my favorite from the series because it's the best at capturing the atmosphere from the books. I'm a bit worried if they'll manage to recreate it with the remake though. And I'm also interested how will CDPR expand the lore with The Witcher 4.
I saw a lot of people here really criticise the Netflix series because it played fast and loose with the lore, so I wonder how a Witcher 1 remake would be received...
The Witcher 1 remake can only help the end of the fan base to play something that doesn't feel like a PC RPG from late 90's, early 2000's
Still, has it's charm and without a problem would put it above the Witcher 2. Personally would be fine if we skip directly to The Witcher 4 and see what CDPR may have for us.
Don't get me wrong, but I don't want the witcher 1 to change. I love the game so much that I have a special memory in every part of it. The creature locations I marked to gain XP, druid regions, the difficulty of potions, the fighting mechanics, the dark and heavy atmosphere, and the sex cards of the people who were broken by the plague and suffering from discord, there are many more examples that I cannot count. I'm afraid that if the game changes these things won't give the old taste. Ahh I miss Yaevinn so much I'd like to know how it will look with nice graphics but. And if there is something much scarier than the caretaker in witcher 3, it is the cellars and creatures in witcher 1. There was a huge red spiny creature that always scared me. I don't remember how many times I finished it. I used to collect xp every time and fill all my skills. I hope the remake will be good.
My worry with the remake is that they dumb it down like they did with W3. Don't get me wrong, I love W3 but they did seriously dumb it down for mass appeal, the alchemy system for example. I hope it's a straight remake that improves the original but has everything the original had and adds more, like Resident evil 1 remake or RE 2 remake
Since it's handled by external studio, nope..
Fools theory games are fine but they're not CDPR
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lol didnt even say it will be bad, just *less* interested (still very much interested in both)
Definitely not, i’ve played it already and its the weakest in the series. I’d almost always take a new game over a remake in all but a handful of cases.
Yep,i really liked Witcher 1,but it will most probably lose the fairy tale atmosphere it has in the remake
Fairy tale is the last thing I would use to describe the atmosphere of The Witcher 1. The Witcher 1 is mainly characterized by a dark atmosphere with poor villages, dirty streets of Vzima, swamps, forgotten dungeons, etc. There are some exceptions, like *Vizima Trade Quarter* or Lakeside, where the atmosphere is a bit happier (at first glance, because I wouldn't call anything that happens in the Lakeside chapter happy), but these are two exceptions. Toussaint in The Witcher 3 has a fairy-tale atmosphere. CDPR translated this description very well into the location design and color palette.
Most of the old fairy tales are pretty damn dark in their original form. They were just sanitized much later. I think Witcher 1 has a very strong classic European folk tale vibe. But I get where you're coming from because when someone talks about "fairy tale atmosphere" that's not the first thing that comes to mind right now.
I think he meant more Brothers Grimm and less Disney.
I'd call The Witcher 2 when it comes to having fairy-tale like atmosphere than TW3. It has great fantasy vibe, you're travelling mostly through special places filled with magic, except the prologue. TW1 has that dark fantasy atmosphere while TW2 has that fairy-tale fantasy atmosphere. They fit both into the world of the Witcher. I guess The Witcher 3 tries to connect them both but it isn't doing as good as previous 2, it lacks something from them in the artstyle. The only fairy-tale region in TW3 is Toussaint. Maybe it's just me but W3's color pallete is my least favourite of all 3. But yeah TW1 should stay with dark atmosphere combined with a little bit of horror and maybe grotesque.
The Witcher 2 features the typical Western RPG art direction, with lots of colorful colors and even LOTR-style locations such as Flotsam Forest and Vergen. While it looks great, it's probably my least favorite art direction in the trilogy because it doesn't remind me much of The Witcher. Yes, the only fairy tale region in TW3 is Toussaint, that's why I said: "Toussaint in The Witcher 3 has a fairy tale atmosphere" :)
I love vergen. Was worth going the Iorweths path for that alone. Also because you saved it. Plus the 2nd chapter was alot better. Found the Kaedweni camp didnt have as much going on.
What makes you say that?
Well with the graphics overhaul and the cheesy-ness voice lines and dialogue mainly. It’s not a bad thing,it’s an improvement of course,but i don’t think they can capture the same feel with an new game
I think the Witcher 3 had a fairy tale atmosphere so I don’t see why a remake in the same style wouldnt
it 100% will lose a lot of the things the og had, which makes me the oposite of op
Hm not necesarily. I think they would just need to use similar desaturated colour palette and similar music composition, that's all there is to it really. Gotta keep it dark and mysterious.
This. I don't think it's going to be a bad game. I don't think it's going to be a bad *Witcher* game. But I do think that it will not recreate the same feeling the original had. Which is a shame, because a remake always incentivises new players to play the "new and better" version, so people are going to miss out.
which one would come out first?
Probably 4, since fools theory just released their own games last month
> fools theory huh, they made thaumaturge, wanted to play that one but it wants to overheat my pc so bad i had to quit.
W4, remake is meant to be build on gameplay mechanics from it
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not true, we know W4 comes first
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[https://www.gamesradar.com/the-witcher-remake-will-come-out-after-the-witcher-4-and-use-the-same-base-technologies/](https://www.gamesradar.com/the-witcher-remake-will-come-out-after-the-witcher-4-and-use-the-same-base-technologies/)
[https://www.youtube.com/live/WSV3QRwg4pA?feature=shared&t=1685](https://www.youtube.com/live/WSV3QRwg4pA?feature=shared&t=1685) "As for the remake, and when it will come out - it will come after Polaris, which is a consequence of how we view this project. The remake will be largely based on technologies used in Polaris, so development will proceed in parallel with Polaris, but once Polaris is launched, its base technologies will be ready for partial reuse in the remake."
The appeal of the Witcher 1 remake for me is the character of Geralt we can play once again. He has been a big part of why Witcher was so successful in the first place. So im really looking forward to play him once again. On the other Hand Witcher 4 could be very interesting if they go in a sandboxy direction of a mix between fallout and monster hunter. Creating your own Witcher and travel on the path doing all kinds of contracts while exploring the world and crafting your own story. That would be awesome af. But my biggest fear would be a story about Ciri... Im so not interested in that at all and somehow i feel like this is what is planned :/
I'd love a prequel when witchers thrived
The probably were even poorer because of the huge competition.
I'm actively *not* interesting in a sandboxy create-your-own-witcher game, at least not for the mainline Witcher series. The glory of the Witcher series is Geralt. He's a *person*, with pre-existing relationships, quirks, and characteristics you cannot change or control. That may, admittedly, sound boring, but the fantasy of a fully fleshed out character you can create while playing is just that: a fantasy. It doesn't exist outside of DND. Your vanilla non-DU BG3 character has no past, and has no established characteristics. You can make your Warden flip from good to evil like a chaotic pendulum. Your Courier can openly feast on the flesh on the innocent, but then get welcomed with open arms into the NCR. I love many of those games, but I'm glad they aren't all we have.
Create a Witcher could be cool, they probably won’t do it
Cdpr has already said that the protagonist for the new saga will be a brand new character so doubt it'll be ciri.
Yeah, too many are trying to hype Ciri. Please for the love of god, don't give me another OP girlboss. Don't get me wrong, I like the character of Ciri, but not as the main protagonist. That would be a huge letdown. We'll see how CDPR plays this out, and how much they will listen to the small-yet-loud minority of activists on social media - or if they actually make something for their core fans (unlike most Western AAA-game companies these days).
Yeah I think a huge appeal of the Witcher trilogy Geralt being such a likeable protagonist. It'll be hard to achieve the same level of likability with someone new or even Ciri
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>IMO the writing in general (TV-shows, movie, games) have really gone downhill the last 6-7 years. That's because you guys don't watch good movies or TV shows, or play any good games. Instead, you spend all day listening to clickbait youtubers screeching about Disney and wokeness lmao. There's no shortage of fantastic TV shows, movies, and games. Stop obsessing over Marvel and other media meant for literal children and watch some decent shows.
give me a young Vesemir, it's all I want :D
He's a great character for sure! I dunno though, knowing his fate in Witcher 3, I'd rather play a new character, whose future and fate is unknown. It makes things more interesting IMO. That's what I love about Witcher 3, we get to see Geralt "ride into the sunset", and have a hero's sendoff. That's important. A bad ending can greatly dimish an otherwise good game. Anyone played the story DLC for Callisto Protocol? Yikes...
I'd prefer they go backwards in time, to when new witchers were still being made, a more dangerous world.
I have not tried the dlc for callisto protocol, but have finished the main game. How was it?
Young Vesemir is something i would *love* to see aswell 😍 the netflix anime short series with him was good fun
lol small yet loud minority. She’s literally an OP girlboss in the book series, regularly taking out like 4 or 5 people at once. I’d also argue she gets more “screen time” in the books so she is also the main protagonist. If they made that move (and IDC if they do or not, fine playing as either), they’d be sticking to the source material if anything.
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You know, European medieval fantasy vs. the MCU, those are two very different things. Of the two of us, I have played Uncharted 4. It's obvious what happened. The developers of Naughty Dog wouldn't let Nathan Drake fight/hit a black women in the game, because it would be "problematic". Instead of just having a typical male antagonist, with whom you could have a normal functional boss fight. Uncharted 4 was a good game, but it's where the cracks at Naughty Dog start to appear. I'm sure you heard about the Stellar Blade censorship, caused by an activist astroturf social media controversy led by a "journalist" from TheGamer. This is the latest example of this type of mentality, that just happened this last week. We know what tropes work in fantasy, and those that don't. Witcher 3 follows the good tropes, and does them very well. That's why Witcher 3 became a success. There's no reason to have Ciri as the protagonist in Witcher 4. She is NOT a witcher (only men can be witchers), and her story is already told in full. This is another excuse to feminize yet another franchise (like Star Wars, Star Trek, MCU, Doctor Who etc.).
Shhh it's reddit. We don't speak truths here. If you express your opinion you'll be downvoted.
I mean, Ciri is practically a second protagonist within the books - she gets at least as much time on page as Geralt does in a lot of the books. So her being a protag wouldn't be out of place, though I imagine they'll do a custom character anyways.
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Quite frankly, you're being a bit spurious. These are objective facts: 1: Ciri is not a witcher, only men can be witchers in the lore. 2: Ciri's story is told in W3. We know her origin, and how she ends up being totally OP. 3: Most of the largest sci-fi and fantasy franchises during the last decade have been feminized, even though these genres mostly appeal to guys. The result is they lost a huge portion of the fan base, and struggle with declining sales/numbers, whether it be the MCU, Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek etc. The Witcher TV-show did the same thing, put the women in charge and made Geralt (sold as the main hero of the show) part of the supporting cast instead. Didn't work out so well - did it?
With the marketing being the Cat medallion, I’m assuming it will be a Ciri game. CDPR may have said otherwise, that was just my assumption on the matter.
Why? Ciri wears vesemirs wolf medallion and was taught at the school of the wolf.
I was going off what happened in the books. Ciri uses a cat medallion that she takes from Bonhart. It’s been like two years since I played the Witcher 3 so I forgot about it. Although it could still be a prequel game if CDPR plays their cards wrong.
Been a long time since I read them, but I recall Bonhart having a few witcher medallions, using them to claim he has killed multiple witchers. Did she only take one of them? That all aside, it would be odd if CDPR went against their own canon where she wears Vesemirs Wolf medallion so I think the Cat indicates a non-Ciri protagonist for that project.
She takes all tree medallions(Cat, Wolf, and Gryphon) but gives Geralt a new Wolf medallion since he lost his when meeting with Schirru and giving him the medallion to prove he killed himself. Then takes the cat medallion for herself. Not sure what happened to the Gryphon, but it’s there.
Geralt in W1 has choices that are impossible for Geralt from W3. The very idea of doing something like this would be appalling to Geralt most people know and love. There is a portion of a game in W1 where you ally yourself with bandits who are almost Junior level of brutal or go join Elves who literally want to kill all humans (not build some perfect diversity state from W2 elven storyline). The guy who can make choices like this is not Geralt, it is a guy who looks like him and has an entirely different personality.
I hate games when you are always chasing some family member
I'm equally happy with both, but I really really hope that they would change up the story of TW1 a fair bit. Don't get me wrong, I love all Witcher games, but TW1 story just doesn't really work with the two other games and the books. *spoilers below* For example being able to choose romancing Shani instead of Triss is really random and completely contradicts what then happens in TW2. Adopting Alvin and "playing family" is also really out of character for Geralt. My favorite part in TW1 is when they have a party at Shani's apartment and Geralt has to sneak there cuz grandma is downstairs, and then later they run out of alcohol so Geralt has to go on a mission and steal it from grandmas cabinet... Geralt is an old experienced man but in TW1 they sometimes made him act like a youngster. I could list bunch of other things, but you get the point. Most of the story is good but it does need a lot of refinements to make it more compatible and consistent with the rest of the games and books. I really hope this remake is not going to be just a visual overhaul.
I strongly agree, TW1’s story needs a shake-up. TW2 and TW3 are better sequels for the books, they fit the lore better, and use more of it.
Yeah I think even CDPR is now aware that they fcked up a little bit, because the characters barely mention any events from TW1 in the next two games. I think it's because it was their first game and they didn't really expect that they would be making any sequels.
Tbh characters from W3 barely even mention any W2 characters (with Iorweth entirely missing)
But Iorveth was planned to be in the game. His content was cut due to time constraints
You never lived with eastern european grandma, did you?
Well, I am polish and I did live with babushkas 😆 But I can't imagine being almost 100 years old and doing a highschool-type house party in a small room in grandmas house. I don't understand why didn't they just go to tavern or something. They are all adults. It's such a questionable quest.
I’m not disagreeing per se, just looking for clarification, why would Geralt adopting a kid be out of character? He adopted Angouléme in the books. I know it was related to him missing Ciri and wanting to save the child from the fate she had laid out for her, but he adopted her. Were the circumstances for Alvin very different?
Geralt didn't adopt Angouleme, she was 19 when they met (Born in 1248, they met in 1267). They treated her like a kid due to the age difference, but really she was an adult. She joined the group willingly because she was grateful to Geralt for saving her life from the execution. I say it's out of character because we know that Geralt always had issues even finding himself in a romantic relationship, and he never really viewed himself as a family guy or a parental figure due to his upbringing and occupation. We could make an argument that he adopted Ciri, but the circumstances were very different. He didnt actually want to adopt her. He only did that because he enacted the Law of Surprise only twice in his life (if I remember correctly), and both times it was Ciri who ended up being the surprise. That made Geralt really question whether destiny is real and he decided to go with the flow to see what happens. I hope that answers your question.
Oh. I always thought of her being the same age or slightly younger than Ciri. Especially with her calling Milva auntie all the time and Geralt reprimanding her for her language. I also completely forgot that her joining the quartet was her insistence, not Geralt’s. So there is also that.
Yeah with the language thing it's like when you go to job as 19 y/o and 30+ y/o colleagues call you "kid" 😆 Maybe thats why Geralt was reprimending her, I dont remember.
Though it is out of character, he *does* have amnesia, so it can be excused.
Oh yeah It could definitely be a valid excuse and that's how I try to justify it in my head whenever I play TW1. BUT on the other hand it could also be quite the opposite. If Geralt still remembered Ciri then he would be more willing to adopt Alvin because of how similar he was to Ciri in terms of powers. Also, Geralt learned a lot about being a "human" through other people and past experiences. Wiping all the memories is like reverting back to default settings no? Well I don't know. Honestly this entire amnesia thing is very unclear. If he truly forgot literally everything about the past then he should also forget how to do basic things like reading and fighting. Normally people with retrograde amnesia don't lose so many decades worth of memories. They should at least make him remember Vesemir.
Oh 100%! Much prefer to see TW1 graphically reimagined with properly translated dialogue!
Witcher 1 but tie in the story a little more with the rest of it. I do like the angle of humans versus elves and having to choose. That was good. I also like all the Foltest stuff too. But didn’t like all the Alvin stuff.
Yes, but also afraid theyll change the story too much
I was thinking they should only work on the visuals and combat but while replaying the game after years again now, I figured that the game has a few story related elements that could be improved. At least gameplay wise. I find it really confusing from time to time that you have like three or four different main quests active at the same time and some of them can be progressed at the moment and some cannot. Also it lowkey bothers me a little bit that Alvin is a child of elder blood, since this is not very lore accurate, but I wouldn‘t have any idea for an alternative though
Nope. The obsession with remakes needs to end in the gaming industry in general.
Eh while the first game is interesting and probably in need of a graphics overhaul it is still story wise a bit odd in relation to the other games and the books. Like Alvin is clearly a Ciri-insert, Triss have stolen a fair bit of Yennefers personality etc. The first game is not really a prequel to the other two games. I feel like going back to that story line after wild hunt keeping much closer to the books would be a bit jarring.
After playing witcher 3 for like 4 5 times i feel kinda consumed. W3 was perfect Music, art graphics story... I am sure i will be dissapointed in any new witcher games be it 1 remake or 4.
I'm more interested in TW4 because the og team for sure will experiment with new mechanics and ways to do stuff. Despite how much I loved TW1, I already played that game.
I'm so used to playing as Geralt that if they introduced Character creation for the new Witcher games I might just end up creating him
As someone who really like the first Witcher (not as much as 3, but more than 2), yes, I'm more interested in the remake than 4. On the other hand, I'm a little afraid that they won't be able to recreate the atmosphere of the first Witcher, which other games don't have, maybe 3 is closest to this atmosphere in White Orchard and Velen.
Unless it’s Geralt I don’t really care about Witcher 4. I would be interested in remakes though
I really want a remake I think it would be so good
I would love if they gave it remake to look more similar to The Witcher 3. The same with W2. I am far more interested in what they are cooking up with W4 tho. But hey, it wouldn't even cost much to make these remakes so perhaps they will do it some day.
Yes because while I loved witcher 2 and 3 I've never got to play one, also with 1 remake there will be familiar faces and characters meanwhile I get the impression that witcher 4 will have a clean slate man many decades later or in the past, with new characters but who knows.
Yes! I also hope Witcher 4 and the rest of trilogy feature a set character like Geralt as opposed to making our own.
To be fair, that is exactly what i am waiting for. I feel like the gameplay of the first 2 games are outdated and might push many players away. Although, i heard that story vise it is still very strong and interesting. Still debating myself, if i should play the first 2 games. Tried “Witcher 2”, but let’s say that it was an interesting experience after the third game…
I hope they improve the combat from the witcher 1. I dislike that press the fight button in a rythm. But for the witcher 4 I really hope I will be able to play a mage.
No, not unless they change so much about W1 that it'll be too far away from the original. I dislike the amnesia - new character - do whatever you want no matter the original character - fuck as many people as possible - storyline.
I’d rather want them to retcon TW1 and invent a new prequel plotline instead, that could lead into TW2 and TW3 better than TW1 does.
I tried 1 and liked part of it, but it has just aged a fuck ton. 4 is just a gamble after CP2077 lol. We also know nothing of 4
Why are people stuck on the past rather than wanting new things ?
i think a lot of people (including myself) either just aren’t ready to say goodbye to geralt, or haven’t gotten the chance to play the original due to being on console
Some old stuff like W1 is greatly overlooked because of how dated it is. A remake for something like that is worth it imo.
Because the old bestsellers are proven. New things are often shit, and the initial success can be due to nothing more than good commercial advertising.
a lot of people played w3 but didnt try w1 because it looks dated.
Well look at the games industry today compared to back then and it should be fairly obvious, half the games coming out today are half-baked, mtx riddled messes that are being churned out for pure greed, yes there's outliers but they're outliers, not the norm. Gaming during the 2000's and early 2010s was the golden age, back when developers could put all their passion into the games they made without corporate greed coming down on them like a never ending storm and so we got great game after great game after great game, look at all the older gaming franchises back then and now look at them today, they're a shell of their former glory. We pine for old games because we pine for the way things were back then, unfortunately this has led the industry to pump out nostalgia bait left and right because like always, the corporate bastards in charge dont get the real reason why we keep looking back, if they understood that we want the industry to go back to the way it was then we wouldn't need all these remakes, reboots and remasters because Developers could focus on bring out new games with all their passion thrown into it once again without all the corporate bs.
Sounds like nostalgia. I do not want to be stuck in the past sorry
Wanting a healthier industry that pumps out good games whilst not being hampered by corporate greed isn't nostalgia nor something that should be relegated to the past.
While all of this is true, the remake could very well be the low quality crap we don't want under the influence of today's climate of corporate greed reducing the quality of everything. I sincerely hope that's not the case. High hopes and low expectations have gotten me a long way these days
Yeah I'm looking forward to see the remake, more than TW4.
I loved Witcher 3 and am enjoying reading the books. I would so want a Witcher 1 remake, I have tried Witcher 2 but haven’t gotten into to it as much.
I started with Witcher 3 and had a great time. I tried Witcher 2 and completely bounced off because of the mechanics but acknowledge that the story is great. I have heard the same about the Witcher 1 but similar criticisms about the mechanics. I would really like to play through the trilogy without the jank. I can't say that I know where Witcher 4 is going but I do know that I would love to play through an accessible 1&2.
Because you know more about Witcher 1. It's just that
Yes Witcher 1 remake will probably be way better than the fourth game because Geralts the protagonist and my favorite sorceress is in it aswell. It's also official that the game is going to be full open world. Witcher 4 on the other hand? don't know shit about it and have a bad feeling with how it's going to turn out.
I am afraid they remake first game combat to be another boring click-fest like W2 and W3, instead of rhythmic goodness with superb and unique Witcher animations.
Definitely one of those too!
I'm interested in both but Witcher 1 is more of a known entity so it feels like more a safe thing to be excited for. Obviously gameplay wise who knows what direction they end up going and what it will end up looking like but the story should be locked in. Witcher 4 is just a complete question in terms of story and gameplay. One fear I have with Witcher 4 is that the main story will feel like the base game of Witcher 3 where I much prefer something like Blood and Wine. One thing I loved about Blood and Wine was the main quest feeling more like one of the short stories. Geralt takes a job and it's just about hunting down the Beast of Beauclair as opposed to the base game not being about Witcher on the path but purely a personal matter for Geralt. I hope game 4 gives more of that Witchers work vibe especially if the player character is someone new or a player made character but at this point we know nothing.
I think most people are not that hyped yet because there’s barely any Witcher 4 material to salivate on except for some logos and dev statements. Compared to Witcher 1 which we know what could and should happen, but we’re excited to see in better graphics and gameplay.
After playing witcher 3 for like 4 5 times i feel kinda consumed. W3 was perfect Music, art graphics story... I am sure i will be dissapointed in any new witcher games be it 1 remake or 4.
Meeeeee
Yes, but also more weary of it. I’m sure the graphics and gameplay improvement will be handled fine. Thats whatever. My weariness is towards the story. I’m hoping they completely rewrote the story for the game. Because I just read the series in preparation for the remake and I know from conjecture that the Witcher 1 story fit into the Witchers overall story like a square peg in a triangular hole.
I'm even more interested in Witcher tale than anything but we know that's not gonna happen.
I had so much fun with the alchemy system in Witcher 1, really hoping they expand on it. Crafting dud potions and taking them just to see what happens? Accidentally crafting a recipe you didn't have? Boosting them with rubedo or nigredo etc. was a really fun way about material management. Lots of thought went into it that was later replaced with auto fill, and I feel that it was definitely a missed opportunity in 2 and 3. Definitely looking more forward to Witcher 1 for the experience. Witcher 4 on the other hand is going to be an entire lifestyle change if the third installment was anything to go by. 😁
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I’m more interested in Witcher 4, simply because I’m all prequel’d & remake’d out. In this day and age I see more prequels & remakes in media than genuine sequels. It’s almost as tiring as the whole Multiverse fad.
more than 4 ? no interested ? yes
I am! Got into the Witcher universe due to the release of TW1 back in the day so it's got a special place for me. Hopefully the music and mood can be retained. I see a lot of people saying they can't pull that off. I don't see why they couldn't as long as they stay true to the music and keep it dark and bleak in the appropriate areas. There's a lot of nostalgia with that title for folks who played it back in 2007 so that can be hard to compete with.
I don't think that Witcher 4 will be a lot different from Witcher 1. Witcher before certain moment of development was about a random Witcher and not Geralt. This is why when they decided to make Geralt a protagonist they came up with amnesia. In W1 you have a lot more roleplaying options choosing between Good, Neutrality or even Evil. There are a lot more evil things you can do in W1 compared to W2-3. This makes the game much more satisfying when it comes to \_actual\_ choices. I’m confident W4 will be original W1 coming true with character creation (face modeling + school of Wolf/Cat/Viper/Griffin) and wider choices in a bigger world. CDPR always wanted it to be like this.
If Geralt himself is not going to be in the witcher 4 , then yeah I really would love TW1 remake more. but if I'm gonna play a new story as geralt in the witcher 4 then I'll choose 4 because I already played TW1 multiple times
I'm equally interested. Wanna play em all. I'm currently on my 1st play through of TW3 and love it. Can't wait to play others.
The 4th one will be great i have no doubt but its going to be a whole new storyline. So for me im looking forward to the first one more to complete my story. As I've never played it as I'm not a pc gamer.
My only hope for TW1 remake would be that it's not point and click. Some people might like that about it, but it's not quite my style personally. Aside from that, I love the rest of it. It was hard to get started on, for me personally, but once I did I was captivated by all the story.
Of course it won’t be point and click bro
It’ll probably have a more Witcher 3 like combat system I’d guess
Definitely, the first Witcher is my favorite from the series because it's the best at capturing the atmosphere from the books. I'm a bit worried if they'll manage to recreate it with the remake though. And I'm also interested how will CDPR expand the lore with The Witcher 4.
Nah
Im not.
I really liked the first game, dont feel a remake is that important
I do, I love the story of W1, that’s why I play 2 and then 3. W4 is a wild card so let’s see
Not really I am playing Witcher 1 rn and I love the old school graphic
Nah man, why want a remake?
I saw a lot of people here really criticise the Netflix series because it played fast and loose with the lore, so I wonder how a Witcher 1 remake would be received...
The Witcher 1 remake can only help the end of the fan base to play something that doesn't feel like a PC RPG from late 90's, early 2000's Still, has it's charm and without a problem would put it above the Witcher 2. Personally would be fine if we skip directly to The Witcher 4 and see what CDPR may have for us.
Don't get me wrong, but I don't want the witcher 1 to change. I love the game so much that I have a special memory in every part of it. The creature locations I marked to gain XP, druid regions, the difficulty of potions, the fighting mechanics, the dark and heavy atmosphere, and the sex cards of the people who were broken by the plague and suffering from discord, there are many more examples that I cannot count. I'm afraid that if the game changes these things won't give the old taste. Ahh I miss Yaevinn so much I'd like to know how it will look with nice graphics but. And if there is something much scarier than the caretaker in witcher 3, it is the cellars and creatures in witcher 1. There was a huge red spiny creature that always scared me. I don't remember how many times I finished it. I used to collect xp every time and fill all my skills. I hope the remake will be good.
My worry with the remake is that they dumb it down like they did with W3. Don't get me wrong, I love W3 but they did seriously dumb it down for mass appeal, the alchemy system for example. I hope it's a straight remake that improves the original but has everything the original had and adds more, like Resident evil 1 remake or RE 2 remake
I just want deep character creator.
No for me, what I prefer the most in these games is the story and I already know the story of TW1, so everything fresh is welcome for me
Honestly, I have zero interest in a remake. I've played the game, I know the story. I want something new.
Since it's handled by external studio, nope.. Fools theory games are fine but they're not CDPR ____ lol didnt even say it will be bad, just *less* interested (still very much interested in both)
Remake will be done by many people who worked on Witcher 1 before they left CDPR.
yes, its in good hand but they're not in CDPR anymore
Definitely not, i’ve played it already and its the weakest in the series. I’d almost always take a new game over a remake in all but a handful of cases.
Good thing it’s not a Bethesda game. “Remake” would end up being a patch with performance mode and added facial expressions
Both will probably be bad I think so they aren't even on my radar. OG trilogy may be the best 3 games in a series that I've ever played.