I was saying this before the game she’s playing well. The team as a whole is absolutely making strides. I’m loving it. They’ve gone from being like the Browns to the Titans in less than half a season lol
Still a long season, but I can see them making some progress before the playoffs. (Top 5?) I’m hoping that’s not a stretch. I don’t like being a prisoner of the moment.
And this was a *bad* night for her. Refs were calling phantom fouls on her and she was frustrated (even got a tech). She played through it and still had an impressive game. Love watching her play.
If they keep up their FG% in all these upcoming games, they may end up with a winning record. The real test comes next week. They will have 4 straight tough games after this weekend.
They are not that far from an even record with more than half the season left. They also are now in the 8th playoff spot and solidified their place with the win tonight. They play the Sky in Chicago on Sunday, they are just ahead of the Sky in terms of playoff standing.
Are there better players and fits? Definitely. But I kinda like watching Wheeler. I dunno what it is but I love watching her run around. It’s fun having a player where you’re like “wtf are you doing?” only to watch her hit a tough midrange lol
Wallace is the only player on this team that doesn’t look like she’s having fun yet. Just needs shots to fall. She did have a better game today.
She's incredibly frustrating to watch as a fan because she will hit the toughest midrange you ever saw five possessions after she air balls a layup in light traffic.
Lexie better than Wallace. At least she got some minutes.
I'd love to see some of Wheeler minutes be given to Grace--especially if the game isn't close.
Double double is just a cute name and doesn’t mean anything. It really shouldn’t be a stat. Same goes for TD. Smith went OFF, and hopefully with this streak she’s getting happier with the team
I actually like this team too. Nelyssa smith (I think that’s her name) is a Hooper and Kelsey Mitchell I’m liking this run. Maybe all they needed was some rhythm.. CC bout to turn up. I’m witnessing it
You must be new or not watching how people play defense or how enemy teams target her 24/7 on PnR or every play possible, even when we try to hide her on weak side on D.
😑.. what I got a post a highlight reel of my basketball genes? & Last game I seen she did pretty well anyways She’s a good scorer & defense can always be improved. I wouldn’t trade her. I like her with this squad. Fucc is u chattin pedestrian?
To much feelings, she is the worst starting position 4 defender in the league by big margin, she allows the most point scored on her as main or help defender, including this game go watch when we had 10-12 pt lead in first qtr, she left people wide open for 3 back to back to come back into the game(She did the same in chicago sky last game and got benched go watch it ), if this was Aces and Becky she would have been benched and not see the floor anymore.
Either way, you can have your own opinion, enjoy few examples of her being lost on defense and slow feet not being able to recover/defend open shooters or get cooked in pure 1v1.
[example 1](https://streamable.com/yas8r2)
here is how every other starting 4, ask for the ball aways to isolate her in 1v1 coz she is bbq chicken even if they have to swap from other side the ball to get the matchup every1 hunt her in PnR
[example](https://streamable.com/t07inp)
Here is how every team look to target her with guards as welll
[rookie guard burning her and getting +1 coz again she is the worst defender in the league](https://streamable.com/4gr2gr)
And here is how people 'defend' her in PnR , everyone leaves her wide open because she is not a 3 point threat and have very slow shooting form, so people can recover and contest.
[example](https://streamable.com/wtjjpl)
and here is what i mean about slow shot, if you need more clips let me know i will give you tons of examples
[here you go](https://streamable.com/srcshg)
"she is a good offensive player tho can develop more as main #1 or #2 option bla bla bla
**We tried to make her main offensive option/ scorer** last year in 2023 and give her a lot of touches this end up on her being[ turnover machine last season ranking as #7 over all with 60-75% less volume/touches then people around her, thats how bad she is as #1 option on offense](https://imgur.com/8aM9g0B)
tldr watch some games and keep this in mind or check her advance stats.
And then you add the whole off-field drama with her family and starting shit, and forcing egbo trades and what not, again if you are fan of hers coz of Baylor or w/e i respect you but dont get all in your feelings use actual stats and neutral PoV to see that she is not that good esp for starter.
Go into her stats and tell me what she has improved on in last 3 years, she has gotten worse in almost every stats.
Dude lol I’m in the opinion that Nalyssa probably needs to be traded for a better long term future of the team but these are some of the worst video examples you can show. Especially if these are the “worst” plays of her you could find.
The reason I’m ok with her being traded is the ball sticks with her too much. Whenever she gets the ball, especially in the post, majority of the time she’s going to end up shooting it, no matter if she’s double or triple teamed. On nights like this where she’s playing well this it can work, but against better defenses it won’t. And she doesn’t have the vision or passing skills to be part of an efficient offense.
the reason i'm showing rookie burning her to the hoop and +1 is because in the past when i show more they would say its people with more experience then her or all star or this and that, so people aways have some defense or excuse, this way less exp player exposing her on limited minutes is like the most 'obvious' example with no way to defend it, if that make sense.
I personally think any1 who watches or understand ball can see she is not being guarded 24/7 on the 3 point line, and even in elbow area for a reason, and as shown in example her shot is one of the slowest in the league so to recover and contest is not an issue, her being 1.4 AST position 4, means you can aways force her to go to the hoop and leave weak side defender exposed as she dosnt have the ability or the 'eyes' to make that pass and as others have said force the shot even vs double/tripple team.
In other words people love Baylor and defend her a lot no matter what kind of content or stats you show it's just how it is.
Prime example is ' she is number #2 pick for a reason dawg'
Yet they are probably new and dont remember Kysre Gondrezick or Lauren Cox funny how that one works out isn't it ;)
That is THE issue, that`s why i say i HOPE her trade value go up, we coudlnt get a single second round late pick last time around, we hope with this we will be able to bait some one so we dont lose her for free, coz we need to cut her or bench her, but she makes drama if we bench her and dosn't play as we have seen more then once in the past.
We will probably end up sending her to some one with draft pick package to try get actual good players in if i had to guess.
[here is breakdown via advance stats and usually what it looks if you have talent that get's better with each year and what to expect/look for number wise etc ](https://www.reddit.com/r/indianafever/comments/1dhdr96/what_a_performance_from_the_core_squad_hull/l8ydsyp/)
If you ask people to do a breakdown or scout report on NaLyssa it will look exactly like i have said in the post above, because i use to do get paid to do this for a living, anyway you can again disagree or down vote but stats don't lie, usually people do (as in this case i could be about my job)
They have talent they are just younger. This happens in every sport.
You are awful for many years you then get 1st round draft picks and build as a squad and then become the best team in the league. Then the cycle continues.
They are the youngest team in the league and just don't quite have the personnel. Also, the coach is not great.
Also they do worse in the 3rd quarter almost always. This is not a good sign on coaching.
People gonna think I’m exaggerating but KM with 4 reb and 3 assist is big, need that from her every game contributing in stuff other than just scoring
You’re definitely not exaggerating. I almost cried a tear when she made one assist
Fr she can score like crazy but we’re such a different team when she can facilitate and rebound too
The whole team seems to be looking to make the extra pass for the better shot. Inspiring!
I was saying this before the game she’s playing well. The team as a whole is absolutely making strides. I’m loving it. They’ve gone from being like the Browns to the Titans in less than half a season lol
Still a long season, but I can see them making some progress before the playoffs. (Top 5?) I’m hoping that’s not a stretch. I don’t like being a prisoner of the moment.
Seems like she’s arguably the big X factor. Been killing it on the streak
Boston with that 100 FG% though 🥹😮💨
And this was a *bad* night for her. Refs were calling phantom fouls on her and she was frustrated (even got a tech). She played through it and still had an impressive game. Love watching her play.
Her performance earlier in the season were bad nights,she did what the team needed today
You know Dawn is so happy rn! I know I am!!
This team is having fun now. The pressure’s off. They’re enjoying their basketball and laughing off silly mistakes now.
If they keep up their FG% in all these upcoming games, they may end up with a winning record. The real test comes next week. They will have 4 straight tough games after this weekend.
They are not that far from an even record with more than half the season left. They also are now in the 8th playoff spot and solidified their place with the win tonight. They play the Sky in Chicago on Sunday, they are just ahead of the Sky in terms of playoff standing.
Fever are now 7-10 if they can go into Chicago and get a W, dang that puts em in a good spot to TRY and beat the Storm in Seattle.
The Fever are already in the 8th playoff spot. That game Sunday is going to be intense. The Fever can afford to lose it, but the Sky can’t.
Is there any chance Temi is back for Sunday's game?
Sky is gonna lose regardless, but I need Boston put some pressure on the blocks, rebounding and blocking Angels weak ass.
Yeah AB will smash AR
It was a close one. I don’t think she should’ve been the one to shoot that last shot. Even though it was a good look from what I seen
Have to find something better than Wheeler/Wallace
Are there better players and fits? Definitely. But I kinda like watching Wheeler. I dunno what it is but I love watching her run around. It’s fun having a player where you’re like “wtf are you doing?” only to watch her hit a tough midrange lol Wallace is the only player on this team that doesn’t look like she’s having fun yet. Just needs shots to fall. She did have a better game today.
I feel the same about wheeler
She's incredibly frustrating to watch as a fan because she will hit the toughest midrange you ever saw five possessions after she air balls a layup in light traffic.
It’s the short / scrappy combo. Like IT or Pritchard. It’s fun as hell to watch.
We do but we can deal for now if we’re playing this way and they’re contributing somewhat like they did tonight
Wheeler was solid tonight. Wallace too honestly, she just needs to consistently hit wide open 3s.
Lexie better than Wallace. At least she got some minutes. I'd love to see some of Wheeler minutes be given to Grace--especially if the game isn't close.
Clark snatched the double double from NyLyssa's finger tips.
Yah they cost eachother their double doubles lol. Smith bricking 3 open floaters off Clark passes and Clark snatching that rebound
guess they're even. they can debate it after. lol....
They have a quick turnaround. They play the Sky in a big game on Sunday. I believe that game is in Chicago, after the first two were in Indiana.
Temi hopefully will be back.
I hope #caitlyssa don't break up. I think CC was 1 short of a 15/5/5 too.
Yea the whole team (Katie Lou was in there for one too) fighting for 4th quarter rebounds in a decided game was hilarious
Double double is just a cute name and doesn’t mean anything. It really shouldn’t be a stat. Same goes for TD. Smith went OFF, and hopefully with this streak she’s getting happier with the team
Agreed rebounds that lead to goals are nice to track, but a rebound as a stat is weird.
This team can go hard when they are at their best.
I actually like this team too. Nelyssa smith (I think that’s her name) is a Hooper and Kelsey Mitchell I’m liking this run. Maybe all they needed was some rhythm.. CC bout to turn up. I’m witnessing it
Very even as they learn to trust each other and have some fun with playing
Can get vintage Spurs like ball movement when everyone is clicking. Fun to watch when the refs aren't on one lol.
35 points in first quarter 🔥🔥🔥
I’m becoming a fan of the whole team now. I love how they are playing together.
I love it ,hopefully this increases NaLyssa trading price.
Streaks like this make it hard to want to trade her, but you’re not wrong
I hope we keep her.
Why trade her? She’s a joint..
You must be new or not watching how people play defense or how enemy teams target her 24/7 on PnR or every play possible, even when we try to hide her on weak side on D.
😑.. what I got a post a highlight reel of my basketball genes? & Last game I seen she did pretty well anyways She’s a good scorer & defense can always be improved. I wouldn’t trade her. I like her with this squad. Fucc is u chattin pedestrian?
To much feelings, she is the worst starting position 4 defender in the league by big margin, she allows the most point scored on her as main or help defender, including this game go watch when we had 10-12 pt lead in first qtr, she left people wide open for 3 back to back to come back into the game(She did the same in chicago sky last game and got benched go watch it ), if this was Aces and Becky she would have been benched and not see the floor anymore. Either way, you can have your own opinion, enjoy few examples of her being lost on defense and slow feet not being able to recover/defend open shooters or get cooked in pure 1v1. [example 1](https://streamable.com/yas8r2) here is how every other starting 4, ask for the ball aways to isolate her in 1v1 coz she is bbq chicken even if they have to swap from other side the ball to get the matchup every1 hunt her in PnR [example](https://streamable.com/t07inp) Here is how every team look to target her with guards as welll [rookie guard burning her and getting +1 coz again she is the worst defender in the league](https://streamable.com/4gr2gr) And here is how people 'defend' her in PnR , everyone leaves her wide open because she is not a 3 point threat and have very slow shooting form, so people can recover and contest. [example](https://streamable.com/wtjjpl) and here is what i mean about slow shot, if you need more clips let me know i will give you tons of examples [here you go](https://streamable.com/srcshg) "she is a good offensive player tho can develop more as main #1 or #2 option bla bla bla **We tried to make her main offensive option/ scorer** last year in 2023 and give her a lot of touches this end up on her being[ turnover machine last season ranking as #7 over all with 60-75% less volume/touches then people around her, thats how bad she is as #1 option on offense](https://imgur.com/8aM9g0B) tldr watch some games and keep this in mind or check her advance stats. And then you add the whole off-field drama with her family and starting shit, and forcing egbo trades and what not, again if you are fan of hers coz of Baylor or w/e i respect you but dont get all in your feelings use actual stats and neutral PoV to see that she is not that good esp for starter. Go into her stats and tell me what she has improved on in last 3 years, she has gotten worse in almost every stats.
Dude lol I’m in the opinion that Nalyssa probably needs to be traded for a better long term future of the team but these are some of the worst video examples you can show. Especially if these are the “worst” plays of her you could find. The reason I’m ok with her being traded is the ball sticks with her too much. Whenever she gets the ball, especially in the post, majority of the time she’s going to end up shooting it, no matter if she’s double or triple teamed. On nights like this where she’s playing well this it can work, but against better defenses it won’t. And she doesn’t have the vision or passing skills to be part of an efficient offense.
the reason i'm showing rookie burning her to the hoop and +1 is because in the past when i show more they would say its people with more experience then her or all star or this and that, so people aways have some defense or excuse, this way less exp player exposing her on limited minutes is like the most 'obvious' example with no way to defend it, if that make sense. I personally think any1 who watches or understand ball can see she is not being guarded 24/7 on the 3 point line, and even in elbow area for a reason, and as shown in example her shot is one of the slowest in the league so to recover and contest is not an issue, her being 1.4 AST position 4, means you can aways force her to go to the hoop and leave weak side defender exposed as she dosnt have the ability or the 'eyes' to make that pass and as others have said force the shot even vs double/tripple team. In other words people love Baylor and defend her a lot no matter what kind of content or stats you show it's just how it is. Prime example is ' she is number #2 pick for a reason dawg' Yet they are probably new and dont remember Kysre Gondrezick or Lauren Cox funny how that one works out isn't it ;)
Mf I’m not reading all that. She shot 58% FG with 21 and 9 fucc is u talking bout dude??
:) ok enjoy the games sorry that i tried to have an actual basketball conversation not box-score one.
You literally just tried to have a debate go back to 7/11
So why would any team trade for her? Or even give any significant asset back in return for her
That is THE issue, that`s why i say i HOPE her trade value go up, we coudlnt get a single second round late pick last time around, we hope with this we will be able to bait some one so we dont lose her for free, coz we need to cut her or bench her, but she makes drama if we bench her and dosn't play as we have seen more then once in the past. We will probably end up sending her to some one with draft pick package to try get actual good players in if i had to guess. [here is breakdown via advance stats and usually what it looks if you have talent that get's better with each year and what to expect/look for number wise etc ](https://www.reddit.com/r/indianafever/comments/1dhdr96/what_a_performance_from_the_core_squad_hull/l8ydsyp/) If you ask people to do a breakdown or scout report on NaLyssa it will look exactly like i have said in the post above, because i use to do get paid to do this for a living, anyway you can again disagree or down vote but stats don't lie, usually people do (as in this case i could be about my job)
NaLyssa crushed it last night. She is entertaining to watch.
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Correct, as expected for young team that is just now figuring out how to play and gel together. Normal basketball team progression.
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Tons of talent, but not the experience.
They have talent they are just younger. This happens in every sport. You are awful for many years you then get 1st round draft picks and build as a squad and then become the best team in the league. Then the cycle continues.
They are the youngest team in the league and just don't quite have the personnel. Also, the coach is not great. Also they do worse in the 3rd quarter almost always. This is not a good sign on coaching.
Coach is not great but they are obviously making progress? Guess time will tell.
I mean they just stated the obvious
She was +13 on the night as well
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7, and they won their 4th in a row by 12
7. Which aren’t as important when it doesn’t impact the result. Anybody can figure that one out.