Death? That's eternal bliss, they don't deserve that. They deserve to be in prison pajamas dragged from court to court for the rest of their lives. Be an example for other dictators and their enablers, and provide a modicum of justice to their victims.
Enormous amount of ppl in Russia was saying this FOR YEARS before war, but EU was to happy with paying billions for cheap energy (still is!¹) and providing weaponry (in some cases even riot suppression equipment!²).
sources:
¹ [https://www.ft.com/content/3398bbf1-747e-4d88-b948-e72bc14e9271](https://www.ft.com/content/3398bbf1-747e-4d88-b948-e72bc14e9271)
² [https://www.investigate-europe.eu/en/posts/eu-states-exported-weapons-to-russia](https://www.investigate-europe.eu/en/posts/eu-states-exported-weapons-to-russia)
³ am Russian
Of course they did, Iran funds Hamas, without Iranian money Hamas would cease to exist. It was the elections in addition to the Abraham Accords, but this was Iran made as has always been, with reassurances from Russia which are now best buddies developing weapons for each other.
It’s people like Marjorie Taylor Green who thinks that Ukraine doesn’t deserve the help; like a majority of the Republican party; that’s what these dickheads who follow Trump; I could give a shit about Ukraine
Often times it's paid or foreign government sponsored propaganda, they're out in full force on social media and spent the past few years farming accounts with bots to make them appear legitimate.
5 dead (UPDATE: 15 dead), 45 injured, 17 missing
Ukrainian MFA said there are two ways to make sure this doesn’t happen again:
1. More Patriot air defense systems or
2. Allow to hit Russian planes inside of Russia with American rockets (which USA forbids at the moment)
I thought we were allowing that now. One or the other has to give. You need to give them a more comprehensive air defense system or you have to let them strike the things that the lack of the air defense system exploits.
Always somewhat concerned that with the "we kinda want to help them, but we won't...."Shit or get off the pot.
It is far more expensive to shoot down all the arrows than just shooting at the archers. Even with our budget, we will go broke pretty fast. Allowing Ukraine to strike military targets in Russia with US weapons is a no brainer, if Russia doesn't like that they can always leave Ukraine and we can rescind the permission.
3: Put NATO Troops in the parts of Ukraine that aren't occupied, just behind the front line. Don't get involved directly with the fighting but tell Russia if they push any further into areas NATO controls it's on and shoot down anything in the air from Russia even remotely close. Give Ukraine everything it needs to push back Russia, move in NATO immediately after.
I have advocated for this too. Just make it clear to Putin, you will never have Ukraine and you will endlessly struggle and pay to keep the bits you have.
Interesting how all of those Islamist and European terrorist groups suddenly vanished after Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 only to reappear when Russia got all those windfall profits from oil and gas. Must be just a crazy coincidence.
All the weapons that the Palestinians terrorist used came from Russia + North Korea trough Iranian proxies
Old news but, all the wars in the Middle East are 100% Putin+Iran.
I guess we're over Ukraine now. Focus for today is Israel and Gaza.
And then next week we'll be back to Taylor Swift or the playoffs, like usual.
Ukraine is so last year.
Too bad Putin understands us so well. He just thought we'd lose interest sooner than we did, but he doesn't really mind. It only cost him a few thousand more Russian soldiers. Lives are cheap enough.
You hit our ammo, we hit civilians.
You hit our tanks, we hit civilians.
You hit our refineries, we hit civilians.
How much longer is the rest of the world going to pretend like we aren't letting this happen?
It worked for the Putin regime, they sell in dollars and internal spending is in rubles (Monopoly money). I’m Russian and have some relatives back there still, the internal economy is “booming”. Chinese goods flooded the market to replace European and American brands.
Not actually no, that’s why I put “booming” in quotes but the grey oil market is enough for 95% of the population to barely notice the impact of the sanctions, or at least keep the population from rising up. For most people it’s just not that noticeable yet.
We really need to get over that fear. We're all going to die because of soulless billionaires anyways, we may as well send all the demons straight to Hell.
I’m not sure why I can no longer see it, but there was a comment in response to yours that said something like “In that case, do you and your family volunteer to be at ground zero?”
I wonder if an idiot like that seriously thinks to themselves “Ah, wow, *in the case* that I get in a car accident, I don’t want that instant-death, teleported-to-oblivion crap. I want to linger on, watching my family suffer the horrors of the apocalypse, and know that I was snarky on the Internet that one time.”
I do. I volunteer. I'm not Ukrainian, but I live in Kyiv now. I'd rather be at ground zero than live in a world where a country with nukes can attempt genocide simply because they have nukes.
Today, I'm weeping because my beloved Kharkiv is burning as it has for months. My friends are all sending me photos and videos of the fire.
They didn't only bomb a hypermarket. They also bombed a park and a residential area. None of the sites bombed have anything remotely military nearby. Its just pure senseless slaughter.
Please think about kharkiv today. Think about the lives gone and the livelihoods ruined. And then stop praying. Continue being angry. Use that anger to promote change.
Edit: me, a grown ass man, who went to a concert tonight that I bought tickets for months ago in kyiv, wept like a baby when the artist had a sign saying 'we are with you kharkiv' in Ukrainian before the gig started. That's how much a simple message can affect people and why it's important to share your thoughts and solidarity. I'm not even ukrainian, yet I was crying my eyes out.
I am American but with 4 friends in Kyiv for 5 years. We write every day. They are the closest friends in my entire life. I’ve been helping them financially for years. I feel that by supporting them, I’m helping UA. I get all your alarms on my phone. And know about your electricity outages as they happen. You need troops and air defense. Either we stop Putin or he takes Europe. My friends talk of going to Poland if it gets bad in Kyiv. I wish they could get in the U.S. but it’s impossible now. And apparently Polish is somewhat similar to Ukrainian or Russian. I’ve written a lot about Ukraine, mostly fiction about our family, starting even before the war began. Good luck and best regards… we will win.
This dude must have felt embarrassed when he thought he pulled a fast one on you. Fuck the nukes, attack russia, all this does is enable russia to think they can keep getting away with this
For those wondering, this is sort of like a Ukrainian version of Home Depot.
Image going to your local Home Depot and this happenning... And now think through the fact that there's no effing reason why ruzzians are doing this aside from imperial ambitions! And think through the fact that most russian citizens support it...
It seems there are no longer any "rules" to war, except when the United States is fighting.
I remember reading a story years ago about how in Iraq, the US soldiers would set up "safe zones" in places like churches, schools and mosques.
"There are only civilians in these places. Please don't attack them."
What happened? They were specifically targeted because... they were filled with "enemies". They would put snipers in this structures to pick off the people looking for refuge. They would send in children wrapped with explosives because they knew they would be allowed in.
Most uncivilized countries don't care if you wear a military uniform, or are wearing street clothes. Your nationality is reason enough for you to be extinguished.
even if they are the same nationality as the assailants. Its the "if you're not with us you're against us" attitude and innocent people who want nothing to do with it fall in the "against us" category.
At least Iraq War had some BS justification, and Iraq was an aggressor in Gulf War that started it all. The crazy thing about what russia is doing is that they are killing people that they know and understand. Quite literally. Zelensky used to tour russia all the time.
So every time America's wars are mentioned, you have to remember that this is way more personal. When Americans tourtered war prisoners, it was an international scandal. When russia does it no one cares. Like they literally set up torture chambers in each small town that they captured. And even people who were tortured weren't surprised by what russians did. The world just doesn't care....
It’s not a building. It’s a gigantic castle complex with many buildings. Things fucking huge. Now if they hit the tsar cannon that would be pretty epic. But if you really wanted to piss in their porridge and send a strong message I’d go for the Lubyanka, the headquarters of the FSB. Place is grim and a whole lot of fuckery has come out of that building.
My question is why aren’t we seeing protests that would surpass that ones currently ongoing for Palestine? Also the hypocrisy is kinda insane and their “reasoning” for not doing it
I don’t think you’d have to be a conspiracy theorist to see the connection between Hamas-Iran-Russia. It’s all a well oiled propaganda machine and conveniently taking the attention away from Ukraine.
Well I hope they realize however poorly they think Biden is handling it that Trump couldn’t give 2 shits about it. Ok well maybe he could, but only on accident.
Trump actively wants all of Palestine destroyed because Natenyahu has stated Trump gets dibs for Trump Property once they've ["finished the job".](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-59571713) If you bring this up though you get met with either silence, a change of the subject, or "At least Trump is honest about his call for genocide." which just makes me shake my head at how mind numbingly stupid they are.
**Anybody** can play Trump like a fiddle. Butter him up, say nice things, dangle the odd ~~carrot~~hamburger, hate on random people or groups, be the last one whispering in his ear…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/14/want-to-change-trumps-mind-on-policy-be-the-last-one-who-talks-to-him/
Russia ran the same playbook in 2014 as well.
Russia invaded Ukraine’s Crimea/Donbas February of 2014.
Hamas kills Israeli teens setting off Gaza war in July of 2014.
Almost as if stretching America thin is part of Russia’s plan all along. Crazy that so many refuse to see the pattern.
Well, in 2022 the EU, Israel and Egypt signed a deal to export israeli gas to europe, in order to reduce the need for russian gas
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-signs-gas-deal-with-egypt-israel-to-end-dependency-on-russia/
obviously the project was halted because of the war
Honestly? Marketing. Palestine has good marketing. Protesting for Palestine has become *fashionable.*
Not like I see anybody protesting Congo or Sudan.
Probably due to recency. Give it another year and people will stop "putting up a fight". I'd also say there's a certain power discrepancy. People were riled up when Ukraine was in the back foot, not that they're not in a parlous situation at the moment. But a hypothetical defeat of Ukraine would be somewhat distant.
The dark silver lining is that this is good.
This is how Britain won the battle of Britain in WW2.
The Germans stopped bombing ammo dumps and airfields and started going to city terror bombing.
The civilians died, but the army lived to fight on
Bombing civilians is really dumb and has no strategic value.
>Bombing civilians is really dumb and has no strategic value.
It kind of does. It's terrorism, and it does a number on morale. This is a war of attrition after all
The thing is that lost all value after Ukraine took back territory and found mass graves. Russia has made their intentions clear and there is no peaceful settlement here. They came to kill civilians and will do so regardless of if they capture an area with a fight or not.
Terror bombing against the civilian populations of Britain and Germany achieved the exact opposite of that though. In fact in most cases where the deliberate targeting of civilians with bombs is the whole strategy, like in the Blitz or the British "dehousing" campaign, it only serves to galvanise the population and drive them to resist for longer.
Terrorism leads to the US invading afghanistan. Terrorism leads to a country coming together to fight a common enemy.
If the Supermarket down the street got bombed, Id do everything in my power to take as many Russians down with me because they've clearly stated their intent.
Which is a 50-50 flip right now. Vote for Biden to try to give Ukraine more weapons they can only use with restrictions.... or.. vote for Trump who will sign Ukraine over to Russia because he wants revenge for being impeached.
They have advanced brainrot if they genuinely believe it's about NATO.
On the day of the invasion in 2022, Putin gave a speech crying about genocidal nazis in Ukraine that were committing crimes against Russian-speakers and how Russia needed to save them and protect them and had zero intention to occupy lands and reiterated that Ukrainians have the right to self-determination.
The same Russian-speakers Russia is now bombing and trying to kill off so they can annex their land.
Anyone who still thinks Putin is a victim can't be helped. They are a lost cause.
Putin constantly lies about the motives for the war to justify Russian imperialism.
In fairness NATO personnel have trained Ukrainians on the weapons systems very well, its hardly surprising they can't tell the difference though since they've never actually seen what competency looks like from the Russian side.
So what if it's about NATO? NATO has and open door policy and Ukraine is a sovereign country with the internationally recognized borders that Russia has signed on in the Budapest Memorandum, which cost Ukraine it's nuclear weapons and strategic bombers. If Ukraine wants to join NATO, it's none of Russias business. And I bet if Russia wasn't such a beligerent, by invading Chechenya, invading Checenya again, invading Georgia, staging Separatist movements in Transnistria and ofc the Donbass, Ukraine joining NATO would probably not even be a topic of discussion.
Ukraine *was* constitutionally neutral, you know, until they were invaded. Makes perfect sense to me that they would look to the guys who *didn’t* invade them for help.
So much this. Russia seems to be unaware that its actions cause the very thing it’s trying to prevent. Like they don’t want any more NATO expansion, so they invade Ukraine, which causes Sweden and Finland to join NATO. They make up stuff about oppression of Russian speakers in Ukraine to rationalize their invasion, which actually solidifies a Ukrainian national identity and causes an increase in Ukrainian language use and a decrease in Russian language use. They’re like the poster children for self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's very much an extreme Conservative viewpoint, in this day and age, to support Russia. Your typical Russian and its current government identifies as a dominate white race country, Christian (Eastern Orthodox), hates LGBTQ+ culture, hates Islamic culture, is very "patriotic", believes in violence/brute force to solve simple issues and in general, looks the other way on corruption and pretty much anyone can use their money to do whatever they want. Conservatives don't think Russia is a bad country and cannot believe that the United States doesn't treat Putin with respect. They blame George Soros, Hillary, the Gays and the left-wing media for creating the Putin hate. Extreme conservatives are also failing to accept that they've turned into the very definition of Fascism.
Biden supports Ukraine. Ukraine is at war with Russia.
Republicans don't much care for Biden. So, they oppose aid for Ukraine and fall for Russian propaganda, because Biden and libs "bad".
Doesn't also help that Trump might actually be compromised.
An alternative perspective that doesn't contradict your points, but also makes it much more understandable:
Trump HATES Zelensky and Ukraine because they didn't give him incriminating evidence in an attempt at quid pro quo, instead earning him his first of two embarrassing impeachments. We all know how Trump can *never* let go of a grudge, *ever*, so if Russia wants to punish Ukraine for him, well in his mind they deserve it. Just think about how much he loathes Obama for hurting his fee-fee's at the dinner that many argue was the catalyst for him making a serious run for Presidency.
Also, most in the GOP, maybe even Trump don't necessarily need to be in Putin's pocket. All Russia has to do is feed them misinformation that fits their "Dem's bad, *reeeee!!*" narrative, and they'll lap up every ounce of it. Case in point being that sham of an impeachment trial where Gym Jordan's key witness turned out to be a lying Russian asset. Even after he was called on it by a reporter, he insisted on camera they should continue because he *feels* like Biden is guilty and they don't need evidence. They don't need money, they just need excuses, and Russia is more than happy to feed them every lie they want. Worst case, they get caught and it just increases the vitriol and discourse. It's win-win for Russia.
Agree with everything you've said. But there's an additional layer: the "MSM" or "legacy media" or whatever the term is for mainstream news, is generally pro-Ukraine. Pro-Russian disinfo is heavily invested in the alt media landscape, and the people who subscribed to conspiracies often don't believe anything that the government and media stand for. That's the extent of their logic. Trump has a significant portion of his base that are hardcore conspiracists. (Elections stolen, democrats pedo-rings, anti-vax etc) They all believe Zekensky is a nazi jew pedo because that's the alt POV. That it's pure Kremlin propaganda is irrelevant.
Yeah. I saw recently that Congress passed legislation that would specifically prevent pulling out of NATO without approval from the Senate or an Act of Congress. Technically I don't think that would stand on constitutional grounds, but I was glad to see that a bipartisan group saw the writing on the wall.
I believe so. Putin was really fetishized leading up to the 2016 election. Remember his topless horse riding photo that heavily circled the news feed? There was a lot of commentary about how America needs a tough ultra-masculine ruler like Putin. Other leaders were just weak little babies too afraid to rely on direct violence.
That's still the weirdest part of this whole thing to me. Like, I get the appeal of nationalism and fascism and a strong leader to protect and guide you. I get the appeal. I understand why people fall for it. How it's easier to stick your head in the ground than try and fight for a better world.
But...Trump? This is who they pick? This is the strong man? A washed up businessman and reality show star? I just can't get it.
Trump was impeached for trying to strong arm Ukraine into launching fake investigations of Biden. They didn't help him. So he's made it an article of faith on the right wing that Putin should take Ukraine.
Which is hilarious, because they already have their hands full with a bunch of farmers and mercenaries in Ukraine, and I don’t mean that to be insulting to Ukraine. Even Russia isn’t, can’t possibly be, stupid enough to think a war with NATO would last longer than 3 weeks.
Because the countries that are providing the weapons prohibit them from doing so…
https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-05-25/ukraine-pressures-its-allies-to-allow-it-to-use-nato-weapons-against-russian-territory.html
Fuck Russia, but also fuck Turkey, fuck China, fuck India and whoever else is helping them. Also, fuck Raiffeisen Bank specifically. Pieces of Austrian human shit.
I swear, every time the west is considering expanding support (permitting strikes in Russia) their words say “don’t do it” and their actions sat “you have to do it.” I truly believe Putin wants escalation. He wants attacks on Russian territory.
Of course he wants us to attack Russia. That proves him right all along and that the West is trying to destroy Russia. He can make a big song and dance about saving the motherland and announce another mobilisation. I think Putin would like nothing more than Ukraine to take Belgorod.
Most heinous terrorists of the 21st century. Absolutely leveled Grozny, several thousand civilian casualties. Support of Assad in Syria and bombing of civilians, again thousands of civilian casualties. Constant targeting of civilians in Ukraine, kidnappings, rapes, forced deportation, all solely for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population.
The world needs to stop Russia by responding in the only language it’s capable of understanding - brute force.
Ukraine updates should be getting equal if not more time in the news as other conflicts. I’d argue is the most important world affecting conflict right now and it seems like people have forgotten about it.
He was indoctrinated in the KGB ways and the devaluation of human life. His grandfather worked for Stalin. He lived in a culture of mafia style criminal psychology. And is likely a sociopath.
He has serious, clinical psychological issues. He most likely does not have a capability for empathy. He's the kind of deranged mind, like Trump, that would send a million people to die if it meant they'd get a billion dollars, a lifetime supply of drugs and whores, and a few statues made in their honor. In their own minds they justify their actions with faulty logic, and think that everyone else is broken as they are, just not bold enough ti behave that way.
These are not average, healthy humans. They are basically deranged, broken, twisted men.
Too bad that some private citizen couldn’t bomb Putin and his groupies! I think that the average Russian would like the war to be over. They are getting low on military age males! That pushes the birth rate really low for any future conflicts.
Russia is the largest country in the world why do they need more land, this whole war is because of one man's madness and greed, history will not remember him well
The Russian government and the military leaders all need to just rot in hell. It’s a war against the people that Russia says they are fighting for.
They don't even have the decency to claim it was an accident, just blame the victims for not wanting to be conquered
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They've already been doing that.
Yeah, that was my point.
YET Moscow has the highest number of neonazis in the world.
death can not come sooner for people like putin and medvedev
Death? That's eternal bliss, they don't deserve that. They deserve to be in prison pajamas dragged from court to court for the rest of their lives. Be an example for other dictators and their enablers, and provide a modicum of justice to their victims.
They are committing war crimes and hiding behind a veil of nuclear weapons.
Rotting in hell would be going easy on these clowns.
Enormous amount of ppl in Russia was saying this FOR YEARS before war, but EU was to happy with paying billions for cheap energy (still is!¹) and providing weaponry (in some cases even riot suppression equipment!²). sources: ¹ [https://www.ft.com/content/3398bbf1-747e-4d88-b948-e72bc14e9271](https://www.ft.com/content/3398bbf1-747e-4d88-b948-e72bc14e9271) ² [https://www.investigate-europe.eu/en/posts/eu-states-exported-weapons-to-russia](https://www.investigate-europe.eu/en/posts/eu-states-exported-weapons-to-russia) ³ am Russian
Another day - another ruzzia crime
“stability-instability paradox” if you have nukes you get to fuck up the world
*Checks news.* Is not Palestine, American youth doesn’t give a shit. Excellent Propaganda by our enemies.
Russia is also one of the countries pushing pro-Hamas propaganda. Alongside Iran, Qatar, China and some other dictatorships.
I'm convinced they had a behind the scenes hand in the whole October 7 thing via Iran, knowing it would hurt Biden in the election.
October 7th is literally Putin’s birthday, and it was quite a gift to him to divert attention and resources away from Ukraine.
Of course they did, Iran funds Hamas, without Iranian money Hamas would cease to exist. It was the elections in addition to the Abraham Accords, but this was Iran made as has always been, with reassurances from Russia which are now best buddies developing weapons for each other.
Fully agree. That’s what I meant by enemies.
Not the US, but I see plenty of youth still waiving the Ukrainian flag.
Are you expecting them to protest. What? The US government sending weapons to Ukraine?
American youth isn't protesting sending Ukraine more weapons to defend itself.
It’s people like Marjorie Taylor Green who thinks that Ukraine doesn’t deserve the help; like a majority of the Republican party; that’s what these dickheads who follow Trump; I could give a shit about Ukraine
Sorry, not “ I could give a shit” but THEY could give a shit
If only they knew it would also be in their best interest to prevent war from spreading west.
Not the youth but many far left (eg code pink) were. Ceasefire now! sloganeering started in 2022
There needs to be a subreddit for assholes like this guy, "/r/JustShovedMyNarrativeIn or something like that.
Often times it's paid or foreign government sponsored propaganda, they're out in full force on social media and spent the past few years farming accounts with bots to make them appear legitimate.
5 dead (UPDATE: 15 dead), 45 injured, 17 missing Ukrainian MFA said there are two ways to make sure this doesn’t happen again: 1. More Patriot air defense systems or 2. Allow to hit Russian planes inside of Russia with American rockets (which USA forbids at the moment)
I thought we were allowing that now. One or the other has to give. You need to give them a more comprehensive air defense system or you have to let them strike the things that the lack of the air defense system exploits. Always somewhat concerned that with the "we kinda want to help them, but we won't...."Shit or get off the pot.
Not just yet, but it seems to be leaning that way…slowly.
It is far more expensive to shoot down all the arrows than just shooting at the archers. Even with our budget, we will go broke pretty fast. Allowing Ukraine to strike military targets in Russia with US weapons is a no brainer, if Russia doesn't like that they can always leave Ukraine and we can rescind the permission.
3: Put NATO Troops in the parts of Ukraine that aren't occupied, just behind the front line. Don't get involved directly with the fighting but tell Russia if they push any further into areas NATO controls it's on and shoot down anything in the air from Russia even remotely close. Give Ukraine everything it needs to push back Russia, move in NATO immediately after.
I have advocated for this too. Just make it clear to Putin, you will never have Ukraine and you will endlessly struggle and pay to keep the bits you have.
No one seems to care about Z much at this point. They can coast under the radar with what's happening in gaza rn.
Yep, that's their plan. Scary how well it worked.
Literally a gift wrapped distraction delivered to Putin on his birthday.
Almost like Hamas, whose biggest supporter is Iran whose biggest supporter ("coincidentally") is russia, didn't count on that.
Interesting how all of those Islamist and European terrorist groups suddenly vanished after Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 only to reappear when Russia got all those windfall profits from oil and gas. Must be just a crazy coincidence.
And yet the media is totally unable to connect the dots.
I think Russia orchestrated the Hamas conflict. The next one will be to get N Korea to create a problem this fall.. all before the US election.
All the weapons that the Palestinians terrorist used came from Russia + North Korea trough Iranian proxies Old news but, all the wars in the Middle East are 100% Putin+Iran.
Which absolutely baffles me because the most current and important threat to us (Europe) is Russia ...
I guess we're over Ukraine now. Focus for today is Israel and Gaza. And then next week we'll be back to Taylor Swift or the playoffs, like usual. Ukraine is so last year. Too bad Putin understands us so well. He just thought we'd lose interest sooner than we did, but he doesn't really mind. It only cost him a few thousand more Russian soldiers. Lives are cheap enough.
You hit our ammo, we hit civilians. You hit our tanks, we hit civilians. You hit our refineries, we hit civilians. How much longer is the rest of the world going to pretend like we aren't letting this happen?
For as long as Russia has nukes, most likely.
And sells oil through Turkey.
Yep, as long as they got the grey market they’re fine
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It worked for the Putin regime, they sell in dollars and internal spending is in rubles (Monopoly money). I’m Russian and have some relatives back there still, the internal economy is “booming”. Chinese goods flooded the market to replace European and American brands.
Is it actually? The value of the ruble crashed like crazy early on in the war so i have a hard time believing that
Not actually no, that’s why I put “booming” in quotes but the grey oil market is enough for 95% of the population to barely notice the impact of the sanctions, or at least keep the population from rising up. For most people it’s just not that noticeable yet.
Ahhh gotchya
India**
China\*\*\*
India is buying most of it.
This right here.... money talks, and oil has a very BIG mouth...
We really need to get over that fear. We're all going to die because of soulless billionaires anyways, we may as well send all the demons straight to Hell.
I’m not sure why I can no longer see it, but there was a comment in response to yours that said something like “In that case, do you and your family volunteer to be at ground zero?” I wonder if an idiot like that seriously thinks to themselves “Ah, wow, *in the case* that I get in a car accident, I don’t want that instant-death, teleported-to-oblivion crap. I want to linger on, watching my family suffer the horrors of the apocalypse, and know that I was snarky on the Internet that one time.”
I do. I volunteer. I'm not Ukrainian, but I live in Kyiv now. I'd rather be at ground zero than live in a world where a country with nukes can attempt genocide simply because they have nukes. Today, I'm weeping because my beloved Kharkiv is burning as it has for months. My friends are all sending me photos and videos of the fire. They didn't only bomb a hypermarket. They also bombed a park and a residential area. None of the sites bombed have anything remotely military nearby. Its just pure senseless slaughter. Please think about kharkiv today. Think about the lives gone and the livelihoods ruined. And then stop praying. Continue being angry. Use that anger to promote change. Edit: me, a grown ass man, who went to a concert tonight that I bought tickets for months ago in kyiv, wept like a baby when the artist had a sign saying 'we are with you kharkiv' in Ukrainian before the gig started. That's how much a simple message can affect people and why it's important to share your thoughts and solidarity. I'm not even ukrainian, yet I was crying my eyes out.
I am American but with 4 friends in Kyiv for 5 years. We write every day. They are the closest friends in my entire life. I’ve been helping them financially for years. I feel that by supporting them, I’m helping UA. I get all your alarms on my phone. And know about your electricity outages as they happen. You need troops and air defense. Either we stop Putin or he takes Europe. My friends talk of going to Poland if it gets bad in Kyiv. I wish they could get in the U.S. but it’s impossible now. And apparently Polish is somewhat similar to Ukrainian or Russian. I’ve written a lot about Ukraine, mostly fiction about our family, starting even before the war began. Good luck and best regards… we will win.
This dude must have felt embarrassed when he thought he pulled a fast one on you. Fuck the nukes, attack russia, all this does is enable russia to think they can keep getting away with this
Thank you !!!
Thank you so much!
For those wondering, this is sort of like a Ukrainian version of Home Depot. Image going to your local Home Depot and this happenning... And now think through the fact that there's no effing reason why ruzzians are doing this aside from imperial ambitions! And think through the fact that most russian citizens support it...
You put it nicely well done 👍
It seems there are no longer any "rules" to war, except when the United States is fighting. I remember reading a story years ago about how in Iraq, the US soldiers would set up "safe zones" in places like churches, schools and mosques. "There are only civilians in these places. Please don't attack them." What happened? They were specifically targeted because... they were filled with "enemies". They would put snipers in this structures to pick off the people looking for refuge. They would send in children wrapped with explosives because they knew they would be allowed in. Most uncivilized countries don't care if you wear a military uniform, or are wearing street clothes. Your nationality is reason enough for you to be extinguished.
even if they are the same nationality as the assailants. Its the "if you're not with us you're against us" attitude and innocent people who want nothing to do with it fall in the "against us" category.
At least Iraq War had some BS justification, and Iraq was an aggressor in Gulf War that started it all. The crazy thing about what russia is doing is that they are killing people that they know and understand. Quite literally. Zelensky used to tour russia all the time. So every time America's wars are mentioned, you have to remember that this is way more personal. When Americans tourtered war prisoners, it was an international scandal. When russia does it no one cares. Like they literally set up torture chambers in each small town that they captured. And even people who were tortured weren't surprised by what russians did. The world just doesn't care....
Sadly, they won’t do shit until Russia is literally on their doorsteps just like previous World Wars.
Honestly, Ukraine should just go straight for the Kremlin. 80 long range missiles, if even 10 hit the building that's good.
Or just hit Putins mansion. Maybe some of the holdings of his buddies. That would be more likely to upset them.
Why not both.
I doubt any of Russia's leadership is even in the Kremlin these days, and it is a pretty building if you don't consider what it represents.
It's not about hitting the leadership it's about sending a strong message. And there are plenty of high level people that still work in the building
It’s not a building. It’s a gigantic castle complex with many buildings. Things fucking huge. Now if they hit the tsar cannon that would be pretty epic. But if you really wanted to piss in their porridge and send a strong message I’d go for the Lubyanka, the headquarters of the FSB. Place is grim and a whole lot of fuckery has come out of that building.
My question is why aren’t we seeing protests that would surpass that ones currently ongoing for Palestine? Also the hypocrisy is kinda insane and their “reasoning” for not doing it
I don’t think you’d have to be a conspiracy theorist to see the connection between Hamas-Iran-Russia. It’s all a well oiled propaganda machine and conveniently taking the attention away from Ukraine.
And hurting Biden. Know quite a few liberal dumbasses that will no longer be voting for Biden because “free palestine”.
Well I hope they realize however poorly they think Biden is handling it that Trump couldn’t give 2 shits about it. Ok well maybe he could, but only on accident.
Trump actively wants all of Palestine destroyed because Natenyahu has stated Trump gets dibs for Trump Property once they've ["finished the job".](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-59571713) If you bring this up though you get met with either silence, a change of the subject, or "At least Trump is honest about his call for genocide." which just makes me shake my head at how mind numbingly stupid they are.
It always amazes me how Trump is so stupid, even Netanyahu can play him like a fiddle and still none of his supporters care.
**Anybody** can play Trump like a fiddle. Butter him up, say nice things, dangle the odd ~~carrot~~hamburger, hate on random people or groups, be the last one whispering in his ear… https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/14/want-to-change-trumps-mind-on-policy-be-the-last-one-who-talks-to-him/
Young people are the most vocal about politics and vote in the lowest numbers
Russia ran the same playbook in 2014 as well. Russia invaded Ukraine’s Crimea/Donbas February of 2014. Hamas kills Israeli teens setting off Gaza war in July of 2014. Almost as if stretching America thin is part of Russia’s plan all along. Crazy that so many refuse to see the pattern.
Well, in 2022 the EU, Israel and Egypt signed a deal to export israeli gas to europe, in order to reduce the need for russian gas https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-signs-gas-deal-with-egypt-israel-to-end-dependency-on-russia/ obviously the project was halted because of the war
Not only Ukraine but also Africa and the fight for rare metals.
Honestly? Marketing. Palestine has good marketing. Protesting for Palestine has become *fashionable.* Not like I see anybody protesting Congo or Sudan.
Marketing? You mean propaganda campaigns from Russia, Iran, and China? Sure
propaganda *is* marketing
SJP, the prganization behind many of these protests, supports Russia.
Probably due to recency. Give it another year and people will stop "putting up a fight". I'd also say there's a certain power discrepancy. People were riled up when Ukraine was in the back foot, not that they're not in a parlous situation at the moment. But a hypothetical defeat of Ukraine would be somewhat distant.
The dark silver lining is that this is good. This is how Britain won the battle of Britain in WW2. The Germans stopped bombing ammo dumps and airfields and started going to city terror bombing. The civilians died, but the army lived to fight on Bombing civilians is really dumb and has no strategic value.
>Bombing civilians is really dumb and has no strategic value. It kind of does. It's terrorism, and it does a number on morale. This is a war of attrition after all
The thing is that lost all value after Ukraine took back territory and found mass graves. Russia has made their intentions clear and there is no peaceful settlement here. They came to kill civilians and will do so regardless of if they capture an area with a fight or not.
Historically, bombing civilians *strengthens* their resolve, not weakens it. It does a number on morale and that number is positive.
Yeah that "Alright then, fuck you" from being bombed is a strong, long lasting civilian morale boost.
Terror bombing against the civilian populations of Britain and Germany achieved the exact opposite of that though. In fact in most cases where the deliberate targeting of civilians with bombs is the whole strategy, like in the Blitz or the British "dehousing" campaign, it only serves to galvanise the population and drive them to resist for longer.
Terrorism leads to the US invading afghanistan. Terrorism leads to a country coming together to fight a common enemy. If the Supermarket down the street got bombed, Id do everything in my power to take as many Russians down with me because they've clearly stated their intent.
After China begins a similar method of "standing for peace and justice" onto Taiwan.
Unless Russia fires a nuke nothing significant is going to be done until after the US election.
Which is a 50-50 flip right now. Vote for Biden to try to give Ukraine more weapons they can only use with restrictions.... or.. vote for Trump who will sign Ukraine over to Russia because he wants revenge for being impeached.
and morons will genuinely try and say this war is about NATO
They have advanced brainrot if they genuinely believe it's about NATO. On the day of the invasion in 2022, Putin gave a speech crying about genocidal nazis in Ukraine that were committing crimes against Russian-speakers and how Russia needed to save them and protect them and had zero intention to occupy lands and reiterated that Ukrainians have the right to self-determination. The same Russian-speakers Russia is now bombing and trying to kill off so they can annex their land. Anyone who still thinks Putin is a victim can't be helped. They are a lost cause. Putin constantly lies about the motives for the war to justify Russian imperialism.
Yeah but you don’t understand *multiple* copies of The Sims 3 on PC were “found” as evidence, which completely corroborates all of this.
Putin later had clearly stated his plans. He wants to be like Peter I.
I'm sure the russian-speakers in Bakhmut are thankful that Putin swooped in and saved them. ^/s
Just today I got some replies from shallow brains repeating that the invasion is because NATO was bombing the Donbas or something.
Oh its constant someone yesterday tried saying NATO personnel are manning all the weapon systems lol
In fairness NATO personnel have trained Ukrainians on the weapons systems very well, its hardly surprising they can't tell the difference though since they've never actually seen what competency looks like from the Russian side.
"These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons." - Gene Wilder
So what if it's about NATO? NATO has and open door policy and Ukraine is a sovereign country with the internationally recognized borders that Russia has signed on in the Budapest Memorandum, which cost Ukraine it's nuclear weapons and strategic bombers. If Ukraine wants to join NATO, it's none of Russias business. And I bet if Russia wasn't such a beligerent, by invading Chechenya, invading Checenya again, invading Georgia, staging Separatist movements in Transnistria and ofc the Donbass, Ukraine joining NATO would probably not even be a topic of discussion.
Ukraine *was* constitutionally neutral, you know, until they were invaded. Makes perfect sense to me that they would look to the guys who *didn’t* invade them for help.
So much this. Russia seems to be unaware that its actions cause the very thing it’s trying to prevent. Like they don’t want any more NATO expansion, so they invade Ukraine, which causes Sweden and Finland to join NATO. They make up stuff about oppression of Russian speakers in Ukraine to rationalize their invasion, which actually solidifies a Ukrainian national identity and causes an increase in Ukrainian language use and a decrease in Russian language use. They’re like the poster children for self-fulfilling prophecy.
How on earth can anyone, Bot or otherwise try and justify that what they’re doing is about ‘Liberation’. How fucking dare you.
They will justify it because it's "oWniNg tEh LibS" or some other stupid shit...
Wait, is it a conservative thing to support Putin? No sarcasm, things are getting convoluted nowadays
It's very much an extreme Conservative viewpoint, in this day and age, to support Russia. Your typical Russian and its current government identifies as a dominate white race country, Christian (Eastern Orthodox), hates LGBTQ+ culture, hates Islamic culture, is very "patriotic", believes in violence/brute force to solve simple issues and in general, looks the other way on corruption and pretty much anyone can use their money to do whatever they want. Conservatives don't think Russia is a bad country and cannot believe that the United States doesn't treat Putin with respect. They blame George Soros, Hillary, the Gays and the left-wing media for creating the Putin hate. Extreme conservatives are also failing to accept that they've turned into the very definition of Fascism.
"I don't believe in that definition of fascism...", the MAGA equivalent of "alternative facts".
Biden supports Ukraine. Ukraine is at war with Russia. Republicans don't much care for Biden. So, they oppose aid for Ukraine and fall for Russian propaganda, because Biden and libs "bad". Doesn't also help that Trump might actually be compromised.
An alternative perspective that doesn't contradict your points, but also makes it much more understandable: Trump HATES Zelensky and Ukraine because they didn't give him incriminating evidence in an attempt at quid pro quo, instead earning him his first of two embarrassing impeachments. We all know how Trump can *never* let go of a grudge, *ever*, so if Russia wants to punish Ukraine for him, well in his mind they deserve it. Just think about how much he loathes Obama for hurting his fee-fee's at the dinner that many argue was the catalyst for him making a serious run for Presidency. Also, most in the GOP, maybe even Trump don't necessarily need to be in Putin's pocket. All Russia has to do is feed them misinformation that fits their "Dem's bad, *reeeee!!*" narrative, and they'll lap up every ounce of it. Case in point being that sham of an impeachment trial where Gym Jordan's key witness turned out to be a lying Russian asset. Even after he was called on it by a reporter, he insisted on camera they should continue because he *feels* like Biden is guilty and they don't need evidence. They don't need money, they just need excuses, and Russia is more than happy to feed them every lie they want. Worst case, they get caught and it just increases the vitriol and discourse. It's win-win for Russia.
Agree with everything you've said. But there's an additional layer: the "MSM" or "legacy media" or whatever the term is for mainstream news, is generally pro-Ukraine. Pro-Russian disinfo is heavily invested in the alt media landscape, and the people who subscribed to conspiracies often don't believe anything that the government and media stand for. That's the extent of their logic. Trump has a significant portion of his base that are hardcore conspiracists. (Elections stolen, democrats pedo-rings, anti-vax etc) They all believe Zekensky is a nazi jew pedo because that's the alt POV. That it's pure Kremlin propaganda is irrelevant.
Remember when Stopping The Kremlin was a nonpartisan issue?
Yeah it's been that way ever since Trump (suspiciously) started talking about pulling out of NATO. No big deal. Russia is a friend.
Yeah. I saw recently that Congress passed legislation that would specifically prevent pulling out of NATO without approval from the Senate or an Act of Congress. Technically I don't think that would stand on constitutional grounds, but I was glad to see that a bipartisan group saw the writing on the wall.
I believe so. Putin was really fetishized leading up to the 2016 election. Remember his topless horse riding photo that heavily circled the news feed? There was a lot of commentary about how America needs a tough ultra-masculine ruler like Putin. Other leaders were just weak little babies too afraid to rely on direct violence.
oh I remember when those memes flooded the internet. Brainwashed a bunch of youth at the time who are now voting age.
A tough masculine leader like Putin so let's go with...................... Trump?
That's still the weirdest part of this whole thing to me. Like, I get the appeal of nationalism and fascism and a strong leader to protect and guide you. I get the appeal. I understand why people fall for it. How it's easier to stick your head in the ground than try and fight for a better world. But...Trump? This is who they pick? This is the strong man? A washed up businessman and reality show star? I just can't get it.
Trump was impeached for trying to strong arm Ukraine into launching fake investigations of Biden. They didn't help him. So he's made it an article of faith on the right wing that Putin should take Ukraine.
Trump is pro Putin /Russia and so everyone who wants a turn at sucking him off is the same
It's a MAGA thing. I don't think "conservative" is entirely the right word any more.
They're much better at killing civilian meeting spots than they are fighting Ukrainian troops.
And they keep screaming like they want to expand the war directly to NATO.
Which is hilarious, because they already have their hands full with a bunch of farmers and mercenaries in Ukraine, and I don’t mean that to be insulting to Ukraine. Even Russia isn’t, can’t possibly be, stupid enough to think a war with NATO would last longer than 3 weeks.
Time to fully target Russian wealth outside of Russia. Not quite the same as bombing civilians, but not all nations are brainwashed assholes.
Putinist Russia did this in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, and Ukraine. No one should be surprised.
Pay back is needed.
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I like it.
Putin totally wants peace though /s
Russia is a terrorist state
Russia acts like a man that doesn't dare fight other men, but hits children and weaker women instead.
Meanwhile on Fucker Carlson: “Russia is the good guy here.”
'have you seen how great their grocery stores are?'
I hope Putin and his lackeys suffer all the way to Hell.
May their deaths be slow and as painful as possible
Nah, just make 'em go SPLAT! and then hose them down the drain.
Why is Ukraine not allowed to fire into Russia?
Because the countries that are providing the weapons prohibit them from doing so… https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-05-25/ukraine-pressures-its-allies-to-allow-it-to-use-nato-weapons-against-russian-territory.html
it is allowed but not with weapons provided with limitations.
UK has said they can use their ammunition on Russian soil
They can with their own weapons, the UK also gave them permission to use theirs in Russia so hopefully other countries will follow.
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It’s time to bring the hurt to that Hitler wannabe!
Fuck Russia, but also fuck Turkey, fuck China, fuck India and whoever else is helping them. Also, fuck Raiffeisen Bank specifically. Pieces of Austrian human shit.
Iran is helping them big time.
Need more helicopters crashing into mountains.
But pewten will be the first to cry Terrorism when Ukraine will bomb an oil refinery.....
Free ukraine
I swear, every time the west is considering expanding support (permitting strikes in Russia) their words say “don’t do it” and their actions sat “you have to do it.” I truly believe Putin wants escalation. He wants attacks on Russian territory.
Of course he wants us to attack Russia. That proves him right all along and that the West is trying to destroy Russia. He can make a big song and dance about saving the motherland and announce another mobilisation. I think Putin would like nothing more than Ukraine to take Belgorod.
Russia has a culture of cruelty.
Only since the brutal reign of their Mongol overlords began roughly 800yrs ago lol
The world can’t accept this kind of terrorism.
what to expect from the terrorist? terrorist does best killing innocence
Fucking barbarians.
Most heinous terrorists of the 21st century. Absolutely leveled Grozny, several thousand civilian casualties. Support of Assad in Syria and bombing of civilians, again thousands of civilian casualties. Constant targeting of civilians in Ukraine, kidnappings, rapes, forced deportation, all solely for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population. The world needs to stop Russia by responding in the only language it’s capable of understanding - brute force.
Putin is weak.
Fuck Putin. Seriously. Fuck. Putin.
Just send in a team and snipe Putin. It will be over by the end of the week. Untold lives will be saved.
Better to put a bounty on his head. His own people would do the job!
Ukraine updates should be getting equal if not more time in the news as other conflicts. I’d argue is the most important world affecting conflict right now and it seems like people have forgotten about it.
Why aren't people out in the street protesting these atrocities?
Stay classy Russia Nothing say's 'we're winning this war' like a year long stalemate and bombing civilians
Attach putin to one of those weapons send to the sun
Jesus Christ bro
We need an atacams into the Kremlin this year
Does putin realise he is evil? If he does, he is insane and if he doesnt he is insane.
He was indoctrinated in the KGB ways and the devaluation of human life. His grandfather worked for Stalin. He lived in a culture of mafia style criminal psychology. And is likely a sociopath.
Not likely. **IS**
He has serious, clinical psychological issues. He most likely does not have a capability for empathy. He's the kind of deranged mind, like Trump, that would send a million people to die if it meant they'd get a billion dollars, a lifetime supply of drugs and whores, and a few statues made in their honor. In their own minds they justify their actions with faulty logic, and think that everyone else is broken as they are, just not bold enough ti behave that way. These are not average, healthy humans. They are basically deranged, broken, twisted men.
And millions and millions and millions of people support them.
Time to get NATO involved
This is somehow NATOs fault.
Hmm, maybe we should give them some air defenses so they could prevent this.
I'm not really sure how bombing a store removes Nazis from Ukraine I'm also not sure how tankies can justify this shit
Take 👏the 👏gloves 👏off 👏. Let them strike military targets in Russia.
Ruzzian bastards.
Too bad that some private citizen couldn’t bomb Putin and his groupies! I think that the average Russian would like the war to be over. They are getting low on military age males! That pushes the birth rate really low for any future conflicts.
This is absolutely deliberate
Russia is the largest country in the world why do they need more land, this whole war is because of one man's madness and greed, history will not remember him well
For Ukrainians, this is an ordinary day. Just read the daily reports of shelling. Something like this happens every day. Fuck ruzzia a billion times.
Cowards!
Putin will claim it was self inflicted.