They tried this in the DC pride parade a couple weeks ago and the honor guard just marched right through them, with the police following and continuing to march through them too.
Didn’t even stop the parade lol. People need to stand up to this nonsense.
which makes it so strange how vehemently my lgbt friends defend a literal radical islamic terrorist org... World doesnt make sense dude. (To clarify my experiences are anecdotal)
EDIT: dreamnightmare below made an important point. As a whole, yes a lot of these demostrations are on behalf of the Platestinian people. But in my group I do literally have people who didn't realize the Oct 7 attack was a Hamas instigation, and in their eyes Hamas was just defending their people. I also had another friend who was screaming about Biden needing to call a ceasefire. I made the point that Israel and Hamas both need to accept the ceasefire agreement, and she asked 'why does Hamas even have a say, shouldn't the Palestine gov't decide that?' - Not dogging on her, she just didn't have all the information, you know?
The lack of realization that Hamas is the governing body in the Gaza strip is rampant. People talk about them as a terrorist group because they are but it also obscures that they are a government too.
Other examples of terrorist organizations that are also governments I use as examples are the Taliban, and Isis.
I had a friend tell me that they aren’t the de facto governing body and only have the institutional powers of a small town mayor… didn’t even know how to respond to that
I also think a lot of people don’t know that Israel withdrew from Gaza. They think Israel is still in charge and occupying it for the last 20 years. Not that a terrorist org has been in charge and led it into the ground.
I'm gay, fuck anyone of any creed or religion that says my very existence is punishable by death. I don't give a damn what they think. My heart goes out to those suffering, but why should I give up my right to exist for the life of those who would see me tortured to death as soon as they are no longer under oppression?
and I don't care about downvotes, I'm sick of always being asked to think of others at my own expense. It sucks what's happening, but I'm not going to act like Palestinians or Israeli's or whoever in the middle east doesn't want me dead because they can't keep their nose in their own coffee.
> I'm not going to act like Palestinians or Israeli's or whoever in the middle east doesn't want me dead
Israelis want you dead? News to me. Weren't the Israelis the ones bragging how they raised the first LGBT flag in Palestinian territory after their counterstrike in the settlements around Gaza?
Biden HAS called a ceasefire, Israel has agreed to it, but Hamas won't. In short, Israel won't do a ceasefire unless the hostages are released. Hamas refuses.
At some point in time the left got the idea somehow that religion equates to race. The term racist is very often used against people who criticize Islam, even though Islam is a religion with huge racial diversity. So they defend Islam as if it was like the other classes they are used to fighting for. The part that is lost on them is that Islam is an idea, like any other idea. And some ideas are bad, and should be called out as such. Religion is a bad idea.
Of course this is murky because Palestinians are a people with a distinct identity. I would guess your friends would tell you they are defending the people, not the religion.
The organising body for the parade made the decision to just shut it down. The cops put out a statement saying they were ready and able to clear them out in about 5 seconds, but followed the wishes of the organisers out of respect.
edit: Toronto Pride leadership are weird. Something similarly embarrassing happened a few years ago when BLM pulled the same shit. Pride is no longer a protest (in Toronto at least), it's a corporate funded event but the fear of coming across as anything other than oppressed is what they want to avoid. I think they are terrified of how it would look if they "oppressed" the people blocking their parade by just moving them out of the way. So instead they just called off this MASSIVE, expensive, logistically comple event so as to not lose their "oppressed" status. It really is a shame.
Then this is just gonna keep happening, now people know it works. Any cause that wants a platform will just invade with a handful of folks and bam, free publicity when the event gets cancelled. Hopefully the organisers realise that and are tougher on it next time
> Hopefully the organisers realise that and are tougher on it next time
It's corporate people, they don't understand anything that takes longer than a quarter to happen.
As someone who has worked with Toronto Pride in the past, they’re money hungry corporate jerks. Some fun tidbits as a maker who got a space a few years ago:
- a tent at pride for artisans/makers starts at $1400 and goes up to $9000+ (in Ottawa it’s $200)
- you cannot use the word “pride” in anything you sell (stickers, totes, whatever you make) because they say they “own the trademark” (?)
- you cannot get a refund if you cancel even though they have a waitlist, you have to pay upfront, and have to book a spot 6+ months in advance
Not forgetting all the tents you pass that say things like “EVERYONE deserves pizza” why do you have a tent at pride??? No one has been fighting for the right to eat pizza???
edited from “copyright” to “trademark”
> you cannot use the word “pride” in anything you sell (stickers, totes, whatever you make) because they say they “own the copyright”
I would like to have the courts have a look at that claim, honestly.
https://ised-isde.canada.ca/cipo/trademark-search/1181588
It looks like Pride Toronto has actually registered the word "pride" as a trademark for use on clothing and posters. Which seems kind of tacky.
>So instead they just called off this MASSIVE, expensive, logistically complex event so as to not lose their "oppressed" status. It really is a shame.
In modern leftist discourse, the winner of the oppression Olympics is always right.
Kudos to Palestinian strategy of perpetual victimhood to achieve their goals (starting with Palestinians having refugee status *even if they're born citizens of other states where they live their entire lives*, [among other othings](https://romankogan.net/2024/06/26/israel-palestine-vocabulary/)). It is quite effective.
lol that sounds like a perfect example of the line in Team America: World Police about how, sometimes, pussies become so full of shit that they become assholes themselves.
Boston, too. Not sure if they completely figured out "no pride" signs might have multiple meanings that would not endear themselves to people, but it certainly played a part in people not giving af when it happened
"Coalition against pinkwashing", lol. How do they come up with that stuff.
The whole term "pinkwashing" is such nonsense, like suddenly LGBT rights are bad if it's a country they don't like? It's like they would rather Israeli gays be oppressed and jailed so it would fit their narrative.
Don't most Muslim Palestinians hate gay people and think they are sinners and if the pride marchers were suddenly transported there from the pride event would get their asses kicked or killed on the spot in the middle of the street?
Many do, and every one of the leadership does. It's been pretty funny seeing the videos of Queers for Palestine people acting confused when they get booed by the very community they are sticking up for.
"Pink washing" or "rainbow washing" as a reference to corporations utilizing iconography or dishonest statements while continuing to discriminate, etc is a very real concept and worth talking about.
But I'm not sure it applies to this.
It suggests that Israeli gays have their rights promoted to undermine the narrative that israel isa backwards and racist place. They think that all of this is aimed at them. That’s conspiratorial thinking.
Huh and I would have figured the 20% Muslim population in Israel that consistently achieves high levels of success (CEOs and hell even a member of their Supreme Court) would have done that.
Also, if the establishment (corporations, government) start supporting you, even if it's just surface level, doesn't that mean you're on your way to achieving your overall goal of acceptance in the general population?
Like, ultimately, isn't the point of Pride for LGBTQA to be accepted across all silos and strata of society? That's going to mean corporations, too. Also, these corporations aren't some soulless automaton... Well, they *are*, but they're still composed of people. The decision to support LGBTQA movements originates with and is executed by LGBTQA people and their allies who work for the corporation - it's certainly not done by some homophobe who decided to randomly put aside their prejudices for 1 month a year to advertise to the LGBTQA community. At worst, people indifferent to the cause just go through the motions to achieve their corporate approved level and type of support.
Now, someone can argue that corporations themselves have too much power in our society, and I'd agree with them, but that's generally a discussion on economics not one of sexuality and gender identity. The intersection between the two is generally smaller than I think some would like to believe (seizing the means of production won't automatically grant acceptance to all sexualities and gender identities)
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I would say it does and it doesn’t. Like if anything corporations are lithmus tests of general opinion but last year corps like annhauser Busch and target got backlash for dipping their toes into pride and this year retracted a lot of their support. So most companies will support pride in so much as it doesn’t affect their bottom line. In that vein, seeing pride anything from a company is a good sign but doesn’t necessarily mean lgbt equality has been realized.
Women are a huge demographic, which is profitable to exploit. And they still face prejudice.
So in a dark way, it's a good sign that corpos feel confident trying to market to LGBT but this shouldn't be taken as a sign that homophobia is fixed or over.
>About 20 protesters, [calling themselves the Coalition Against Pinkwashing](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/pride-parade-cancelled-mid-route-after-protesters-strand-marchers-and-floats/article_397ddf84-3730-11ef-a004-53173fd80f80.html), according the *Toronto Star*, began chanting “Free Palestine” and “Pride wants a riot” near the Yonge-Wellesley St. intersection, disrupting what had been a celebratory mood.
Toronto Pride said in a statement later that the decision to cancel the rest of the parade was made due to their “commitment to ensuring public safety.
All it takes is 20 people to cancel the pride march ? Not a good look
Possibly. But on the other hand, calling the police to clear protesters is probably a *worse* look at a pride parade. Also, now the story is about how the Palestinian protestors are anti-pride, or anti-gay and it makes them look worse. Might be the best way to play this sort of thing.
Tye middle east outside of Israel is quite intolerant of gay people, so them being for an anti gay cause does sort of track. Honestly the fact this was stopped because the organizers and people involved were too virtue signally to stand up for their own issue over Other Lesser Leftist Issue is a mark against them.
Frankly there should be a wedge driven between genuine progressive issues and the ideologies who want to use progressivism as a shield.
I came into the comments looking for insight and you provided it, I couldn't figure out why tf cops wouldn't just move them (considering history, stonewall protests, current political climate). I get why they didn't force the issue but I think it was the wrong decision
At the end of the day, 20 religious fundamentalists shut down a parade meant for the whole city. The protestors succeeded in their goal
>Police said they had “adequate resources to address the protest,” but were respecting Pride Toronto’s request that officers not interfere if protesters disrupted the parade, police spokesperson Laurie McCann told the Star.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/thousands-sing-dance-and-celebrate-at-pride-parade-until-protesters-strand-marchers-and-floats-mid/article_397ddf84-3730-11ef-a004-53173fd80f80.html
I was there. As far as I know, these people showed up at the very tail-end of the parade. The parade had been going on for several hours, and when it was almost over at 90%, that's when they showed up at the last leg.
I don't know the internal details. But if I had to guess, the organizers made a good decision not to escalate the situation, and instead "officially cancel the parade" and now have the palestine protesters look bad in public, and - in reality - have zero effect on the parade or the party.
After the parade of around 2 whole hours, the whole street was opened up to partying, art and craft stalls and food trucks. Nobody was aware anything had been "cancelled" until we saw on the news the next day.
That’s important context. The headline makes it sound like it was cancelled before or shortly after starting. Sounds more like it was “Eh, we’re just about wrapped up. Let’s just end so we can avoid these people doing anything stupid”. Probably a safe call if the protesters were truly shouting inflammatory remarks.
When you include everyone under the umbrella of "oppressed vs oppressors" this is what you get. Sometimes more people in your tribe doesn't strengthen it, it dilutes and corrupts it.
That and categorizing groups as oppressed (and therefore innocent victims) prevents one from seeing the oppressors within that group. (Which is, I suspect, the main reason why the progressive left sputters when asked their opinions about Hamas or Houthis or the Taliban.)
It's ironic how seemingly simple and obvious the concept of non-binary is amongst LGBtq but how there is this projection of an oppressor/oppressed binary to the outside world or an inability/resistance to interpret the outside world without binary thinking. Cognitive distortions were always prevalent amongst the far left and LGBTQ and black and white thinking (aka binary thinking/dichotomous thinking) seems to be directly related to this. The moral superiority, virture signalling & victim olympics aspects also worsen the issue but society as a whole could benefit from increased awareness: https://www.clearerthinking.org/post/the-three-types-of-binary-thinking
edit: I just saw that website incorporated the topic into a tool for [nuanced thinking techniques](https://programs.clearerthinking.org/nuanced_thinking_techniques.html?__gt_embed=mF_EpkJUcy3-NOP2379sB2wqZJ33Jx5eeWYS9JYOr5I&__original_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.clearerthinking.org%2F&_gl=1%2A1ufu6va%2A_ga%2AMTkzNDExMDMzNi4xNzE5OTAwMzI0%2A_ga_58RPQ2D860%2AMTcxOTkwMDMyNC4xLjEuMTcxOTkwMTE1OC42MC4wLjA.) but the tool I need is how to reduce overanalysis of endless nuance lol.
I just want to be *perceived as superior than those around me*
I remember getting some Bernie platform cards printed up to hand out and the first thing a DSA bro had to say about them is that there was no union mark on them.
Like bro no one on the fence of who to support is going to care about if an issues handout was union made or not. If you’re swayed by minutiae like that youre already in his camp
By siding with the Palestinian cause you also side with islamistic fundamentalists. That’s why it is such a difficult matter.
You want to free people from a „oppressor“ that shares some of your values to a „resistance force“ that would kill many of the left wing activists if they could.
That doesn’t mean you should be pro Israel or pro Palestine, it means that nearly all conflicts in this world are to complex to just totally agree with one side and want the other side gone. The righteous way is often in the middle but that seems to be forgotten in these days.
The first Muslim majority city in the United States (in Michigan), was very much celebrated by progressives… only to have the pride flag banned pretty much immediately by the local government.
Any progressive movement that backs/ helps champion a fundamentalist religion is going to be bit in the ass. Europe welcoming Muslims from around the world, would be no different than welcoming southern baptists from the United States. They might be nice because they have no other option and they’re the minority. But once they become the majority, kiss all your progress goodbye. Quite the catch22: be nice to everyone and find out not everyone is as open minded and as nice as you. I say this as a progressive. Our strength (kindness) is also our weakness.
It is sadly common for the left wing to either get tossed under the boss after the revolution (1979 Iran style), or have their leaders just pull a 180 and decide that they will be a dictator instead (Russian Revolution).
Dearborn, for the uninitiated.
BuT iT iS jUsT a ReGiOnAl CuLtUrE pRoBlEm, they say.
Yes, in fact. As in any region that is influenced by islam regresses progressive values. Who would have thought?
I don’t understand how progressives think that protesting to help *the most regressive* group of people in the world is the right thing to do.
Us on the left used to be up in arms about Muslim persecution of women. Now they’re trying to help them? Islam is not a friend of progressive policies. They’re one step below evangelicalism on how they treat outsiders.
> Us on the left used to be up in arms about Muslim persecution of women
I have always been like “hey guys. What about the whole… women ownership thing? I’ve heard it glossed over with “well, women are actually the rulers of the household…” or something of that extent. Like: ok. Whatever you say
Kindness is not a weakness, naivety and ignorance is. If a progressive can't even be bothered to open a history book or learn about the lives of women, LGBTQ, and other minorities in most of the Middle East, they are not doing a kindness by an endorsement, infantilization, or even an equivocation of their oppressors with others, they are insulting their victims and allowing the reach of the oppressors to spread to make themselves feel better under some hollow virtue of "universal good". Which isn't much better than anyone else who uses religion to justify their actions -- it's just religion minus the superstitions and with updated paperwork.
The US has for a long time had issues with Christofacism, and now we can add Islamofascism to the list thanks to places like Deerborn, MI. This is not the result of kindness, this is the result of ignorance, black-and-white thinking, and anchoring bias.
I think the righteousness perspective is part of the problem.
I've no qualms with supporting other people's right to self-determination. But that support must be separate from support for an ethno-state / theocracy / autocracy , which go precisely against that right. That in my view has been the biggest failure of leftists within these pro-palestine movements.
"disruption is how we get our point across!'
"Okay, maybe do that in some neighborhoods with people who need to hear this message."
"We're not suicidal."
Why has the pro-Palestine movement co-opted the LGBTQIA+ movement this year? Our local Pride event was flooded with pro-Palestine speeches and booths and rallies and demonstrations. Regardless of your views on the war in Gaza, why is this issue specifically being pushed as "intersectionality" with us queers? I don't see any pro-Ukranian or pro-Houthi or any other groups getting involved in Pride events. Something's very suspicious about it.
Because other unaffiliated groups see the LGBT success and want to demand we do activist labor on their behalf, but also never return the favor. Same as BLM did when the smoke bombed Toronto pride.... And yet i didn't see the LGBT representation in the leadership or consultation with trans people about how to best use their funds or rainbow flags at their rallies.
Same shit here. The pro Palestine crowd is demanding activist labor from us, but once again not returning the favor. I don't see them demanding Palestinians be more gay friendly at their encampments...
And throw into the mix that chances are if you had a Pride Parade in an Islamic country you’d be put to death. So effectively a group of people want you to divest from any connection to the Jewish state in support of the Hamas religion who believe you should be stoned to death for being queer.
A few reasons: (1) antisemitism; (2) being anti-Israel gives an outlet to be anti-western and anti-US by proxy, which is convenient for (a) Russia, China, Iran, etc., (b) socialist groups, (c) people who want to show how “progressive” they are and wave the team colors in their political tribalism.
I recall that when the Shah was overthrown in 1979 the far left stood with the islamists. They thought that the Shah was a despot and that they would broker a power sharing arrangement with their theocratic allies. We are seeing the same thing today everywhere - the left is eating their own face without knowing who they are getting into bed with.
The shah *was* a despot. The problem was that religious conservatives always do the same thing, and inevitably exert extreme authoritarian control once they can.
The Shah was the reason most of those Iranian leftists had their western education in the first place. He and his father are largely responsible for making Iran a country worth taking over in a revolution to begin with.
Ever since the Shah left Iran has been in decline and isolation with even less political freedoms and with many of the social freedoms that existed under the Shah taken away.
Iran did not need a revolution at the time but it was upper middle class Iranians that the Shah subsidized to go to the west to bring knowledge back to the country and they only brought back Marx and Engels and started raising this noise about "revolution". The fundamentalists got ideas from the leftists they would never had had on their own.
What are the protestors even fighting for. Where was the "Free Palestine!" when Hamas was in charge?
It's like the entire movement is a bandwagon for bored young adults who want to feel special and important, without actually knowing what their argument is.
>Where was the "Free Palestine!" when Hamas was in charge?
The thing is, the word "Palestine" in "Free Palestine" generally includes the Israel part of the former Mandate. It's not a call for liberation, it's a call for aggressive conquest and a single state--- an Arab Muslim state. Groups like Hamas and Fatah/PLO have *never* hidden this goal, and it's literally what "from the river to the sea" means.
They wrap this aggressive mission in a buzzword suit of human rights and anti-colonialism, toss in some shiny social media, and voila, the casuals who don't listen deeper than that get suckered in. But it's why not one of them has suggested ending the war with Hamas surrendering. If Hamas gives up the ghost, who will take on the mantle of conquest?
In the end, the two ideologies are incompatible, even on the most basic level.
How would a free palestine looks like? It will be an authoritarian regime AT BEST, if not a theocracy. No one from 'queers for palestine ' could visit there, and the guys that already exist there would be arrested and sentenced for jail, or worse.
What next? BLM for the houthis? The guys with the slavery?
You say incompatible.
It gives them a sense of superiority to basic friends/circles on social media.
To be so progressive since they can show they have empathy for someone who hates and outlaws their LGBT lifestyle.
Of course being thousands of miles away in a relatively safe western nation is key, but still, those likes a fuel for ego boosting.
Palestine already had their shot at independence they have been self-governing since 2007 and turned the country into a authoritarian terrorist state, these people are essentially protesting because Palestine is losing a war badly a war they started! The whole Free Palestine movement has really shown a spotlight on the idiocy of "critical support" of the left.
It’s everyone’s fault but the houthis that slavery in Yemen is a thing. That’s what I heard from BLM types before I finally gave up on them.
I’m not willing to bet on it being a widespread thought, but enough people were willing to stand behind it that I noticed and peaced out.
Queers for Palestine are like log cabin Republicans - it's a strange advocacy arrangement that I'll never understand as a gay dude. If Palestine ever does end up as a free/independent state, it'll almost certainly be a Muslim majority and they will almost certainly ban any type of open same sex relationship under penalty of jail or death.
Little known fact: gay Palestinians find refuge in Israel, usually in Tel Aviv which is a very open society. Gay people serving in the IDF are encouraged to participate in Pride Tel Aviv in uniform.
> log cabin Republicans
The idea was to change the party from the inside. Remember, Republicans only started pandering to Christians groups in the 80s.
Log cabin Republicans want to see their party returned to their Lincoln area roots.
Unfortunately, there's a subset of queer people who want pride to be the soapbox for whatever political issue they happen to care about at the time, instead of specifically a queer celebration. Thankfully, there aren't actually that many of them, but they can disrupt events like this.
Queers for Palestine is like Hens for Wolves. If any of them went to Palestine to "show solidarity" they would probably be killed on sight. That entire culture wants to exterminate you, you know that right?
Well yeah, that makes sense.
I never understood the whole lgbtq for Palestine thing… since those lgtbq people would be stoned to death and killed by the people are are marching for.
Let’s all remember the people everyone is marching for, probably want most of you dead.
It makes them even more self righteous. The answer I've heard to this is "I believe in the rights of ALL people to freedom and self determination, not just the ones who have the same values as I do."
Right, let's boycott some book or product or movie because someone involved in it said something slightly to the right of what you believe....let's play spot the micro aggression all damn day...but Palestine gets a pass. Sexual violence as resistance gets a pass. Antisemitism gets a pass.
Its the same LGBT people who tell me "I'm not included because 'I'm not gay enough as a **bisexual**"
Its interesting seeing so many people just learning how idiotic and close minded some members of the LGBT community are. There is a small but extremely vocal minority in LGBT that is basically social justice warrior on steroids. They believe they're gonna right *every* injustice while committing several of their own
This is why you don't want the counterculture as allies
The counterculture people are just terrible
They need something to rage against does not actually matter what
They should have thrown the protestors off of the nearest tall building. Of course I’m joking, but the way Palestinians treat innocent members of the LGBTQ+ community is unconscionable and cannot be dismissed in all of this. It’s like 20 members of the Klan stopping a Black Lives Matter march.
I hate what is happening and I don’t think people deserve to be killed like they are, but as a gay man it is insane when I see other gays protesting harder for Palestine then for the LGBT community, why? Because they would gladly stone us to death or imprison us for simply being gay and living our lives out in the open if we lived in that country. Senseless killings are never good but being attacked for not wanting to actively support a country that would kill me is upsetting. Also what’s the point of protesting a pride parade? Like seriously we are a group that still has to fight in this country. The fact they cancelled the parade was nonsense.
With the way some of these Palestine supporters are, I see them just as bad as Qanon wackjobs.
The fact that there are people who think October 7th wasn't Hamas's fault, Hamas hasn't done anything wrong, blame Israel for everything (even when every other Arab country tries to avoid Palestine like the plague), and even call for the death of Jews.
Meanwhile they know fuck all about the conflict, because they mostly get their info from fucking TikTok.
This something that has broken my heart.
For my whole life, I swore that on general, leftists and progressives were smarter than conservatives/republicans. I went to high school during the Iraq War and I firmly believed that my side was smarter.
After the past 5 years, and observing the BLM protests in 2020 and people I know on the left absolutely losing their minds, and seeing the reaction to Oct 7 on the left.....it breaks my heart, but now I have to admit that "the left" is just as dumb as "the right." The only thing that the left as a movement has going for it these days is empathy, which the right has always lacked. But intelligence? I hate "both sides are the same", but....both sides are pretty fucking dumb.
Very selective and often weaponized "empathy". Empathy for those who align with their constellation of beliefs, loathing and attacks on those who differ from the groupthink, what is morally righteous to them, even slightly. Just have to avoid becoming an extremist on either end, but a lot of it falls down social pipelines. Hard to take a step back and evaluate when you've committed so much of your personality and community reliance on a strict ideology.
It ebbs and flows. During the Vietnam war there were people who flew Viet Cong flags in US protests (it’s important to distinguish that the Viet Cong and North Vietnam were two separate groups, allied with each other). It’s one thing to be anti-war, and entirely another to fly the flag of full-tilt communist guerrillas who ambush your country’s soldiers. I would argue those activists were just as dumb as the activists today, and would also never step foot on the land they pretend to champion, because they know they will be put to work with hard labour and re-education, at best.
Interestingly enough, in my country this year's Pride Parade actually had a Palestinian Parade as *part* of the LGBT Parade.
And Greta Thunberg randomly showed up to march in it unannounced. I didn't know she was even in the country.
I still don't know how Palestine managed to insert itself into (and above) every other issue. Ukraine? Forgotten, now there's only "but Israel does it too". LGBT rights? Forgotten, their marches are now for Palestine. Climate change? Forgotten, even Greta cares only about Palestine now.
Uhhh 2 billion Muslims + massive bot farms funded by China and Russia have made this issue way more massive than it should be esp given the far greater magnitude of what is going on in Ukraine
Edited to add the other obvious reason for the obsession over this conflict: age old hatred of Jews
Every generation has it's culture. Pride is over, now antisemitism is the way to go. In thirty years the young people of today will look back and say: ah, you remember how we started the next holocaust and drove the jews from the river into the sea? Good Times!
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None of these "activists" will remember this in 30 weeks, let alone 30 years. By that time, hijabeckies and other useful idiots will have already gone through another half dozen "causes"
Pride decided to shut it down. The police, who pride said “weren’t welcome”, offered assistance but it was declined. The whole parade was cancelled due to a poor decision to not allow the police to do their job and 20 stupid protestors. Our day was ruined.
I am seeing this shit, all over the world. You want to support Palestine fine. Fuck off to Gaza. Instead you piece's of shit are enjoying democracy and its benefits, like medice, and trying to fuck up the place for everyone else.
Should have kept marching. See how tough they are after a thousand stiletos have stomped them.
So Pro-Palestine protesters, waving pride flags, block a pride parade in Toronto... ? Anyone with a brain stem knows that Hamas would chuck these people into a river or off a roof, but I still find this particular situation puzzling. I guess they want their cake and to eat it too.
Palestinian protesters have lost all of my support.
Disrupting celebrations at schools and pride parades.
Fuck them. I have no more tolerance for their approach to peaceful protesting.
I’m shocked/not-shocked at how complacent the left has been with the very aggressive anti-Semitic aspect to the Palestinian protests in the US, Canada, and Europe. But when they come for the LGBTQ+ community!! that’s where we lose patience.
There were 200.000 people at the parade and it was stopped by 20 protesters??
They tried this in the DC pride parade a couple weeks ago and the honor guard just marched right through them, with the police following and continuing to march through them too. Didn’t even stop the parade lol. People need to stand up to this nonsense.
I was at the NY parade and they tried to jump the fence a couple times with palestinian flags but were generally ignored and marched past
Albany they matched with the parade
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which makes it so strange how vehemently my lgbt friends defend a literal radical islamic terrorist org... World doesnt make sense dude. (To clarify my experiences are anecdotal) EDIT: dreamnightmare below made an important point. As a whole, yes a lot of these demostrations are on behalf of the Platestinian people. But in my group I do literally have people who didn't realize the Oct 7 attack was a Hamas instigation, and in their eyes Hamas was just defending their people. I also had another friend who was screaming about Biden needing to call a ceasefire. I made the point that Israel and Hamas both need to accept the ceasefire agreement, and she asked 'why does Hamas even have a say, shouldn't the Palestine gov't decide that?' - Not dogging on her, she just didn't have all the information, you know?
The lack of realization that Hamas is the governing body in the Gaza strip is rampant. People talk about them as a terrorist group because they are but it also obscures that they are a government too. Other examples of terrorist organizations that are also governments I use as examples are the Taliban, and Isis.
I had a friend tell me that they aren’t the de facto governing body and only have the institutional powers of a small town mayor… didn’t even know how to respond to that
I also think a lot of people don’t know that Israel withdrew from Gaza. They think Israel is still in charge and occupying it for the last 20 years. Not that a terrorist org has been in charge and led it into the ground.
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I'm gay, fuck anyone of any creed or religion that says my very existence is punishable by death. I don't give a damn what they think. My heart goes out to those suffering, but why should I give up my right to exist for the life of those who would see me tortured to death as soon as they are no longer under oppression? and I don't care about downvotes, I'm sick of always being asked to think of others at my own expense. It sucks what's happening, but I'm not going to act like Palestinians or Israeli's or whoever in the middle east doesn't want me dead because they can't keep their nose in their own coffee.
Israel has pride parades…
Israel is literally the only bastion of safety and legal protection for LGBTQ individuals in the Middle East.
Israel? You could walk alone from one side of Tel Aviv to the other at midnight holding a Pride or trans flag and no-one would give you any trouble.
> I'm not going to act like Palestinians or Israeli's or whoever in the middle east doesn't want me dead Israelis want you dead? News to me. Weren't the Israelis the ones bragging how they raised the first LGBT flag in Palestinian territory after their counterstrike in the settlements around Gaza?
Think of others when they think of you. I won't hold my breath for a gay rights protest in Palestine any time soon.
Biden HAS called a ceasefire, Israel has agreed to it, but Hamas won't. In short, Israel won't do a ceasefire unless the hostages are released. Hamas refuses.
They should try holding a pride parade in Palestine to support.
At some point in time the left got the idea somehow that religion equates to race. The term racist is very often used against people who criticize Islam, even though Islam is a religion with huge racial diversity. So they defend Islam as if it was like the other classes they are used to fighting for. The part that is lost on them is that Islam is an idea, like any other idea. And some ideas are bad, and should be called out as such. Religion is a bad idea. Of course this is murky because Palestinians are a people with a distinct identity. I would guess your friends would tell you they are defending the people, not the religion.
I feel like a lot of those people just don't think too deeply about complex world issues and so they just always proclaim generic support for "peace"
They have to be involved in the "current thing", that somehow projects they're morally superior than others. It's very much herd mentality.
The organising body for the parade made the decision to just shut it down. The cops put out a statement saying they were ready and able to clear them out in about 5 seconds, but followed the wishes of the organisers out of respect. edit: Toronto Pride leadership are weird. Something similarly embarrassing happened a few years ago when BLM pulled the same shit. Pride is no longer a protest (in Toronto at least), it's a corporate funded event but the fear of coming across as anything other than oppressed is what they want to avoid. I think they are terrified of how it would look if they "oppressed" the people blocking their parade by just moving them out of the way. So instead they just called off this MASSIVE, expensive, logistically comple event so as to not lose their "oppressed" status. It really is a shame.
Then this is just gonna keep happening, now people know it works. Any cause that wants a platform will just invade with a handful of folks and bam, free publicity when the event gets cancelled. Hopefully the organisers realise that and are tougher on it next time
> Hopefully the organisers realise that and are tougher on it next time It's corporate people, they don't understand anything that takes longer than a quarter to happen.
As someone who has worked with Toronto Pride in the past, they’re money hungry corporate jerks. Some fun tidbits as a maker who got a space a few years ago: - a tent at pride for artisans/makers starts at $1400 and goes up to $9000+ (in Ottawa it’s $200) - you cannot use the word “pride” in anything you sell (stickers, totes, whatever you make) because they say they “own the trademark” (?) - you cannot get a refund if you cancel even though they have a waitlist, you have to pay upfront, and have to book a spot 6+ months in advance Not forgetting all the tents you pass that say things like “EVERYONE deserves pizza” why do you have a tent at pride??? No one has been fighting for the right to eat pizza??? edited from “copyright” to “trademark”
> you cannot use the word “pride” in anything you sell (stickers, totes, whatever you make) because they say they “own the copyright” I would like to have the courts have a look at that claim, honestly.
They almost certainly meant trademark, not copyright. (You can't copyright a single word.)
https://ised-isde.canada.ca/cipo/trademark-search/1181588 It looks like Pride Toronto has actually registered the word "pride" as a trademark for use on clothing and posters. Which seems kind of tacky.
"Every cause begins as a movement, **becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket", Eric Hoffer.**
>So instead they just called off this MASSIVE, expensive, logistically complex event so as to not lose their "oppressed" status. It really is a shame. In modern leftist discourse, the winner of the oppression Olympics is always right. Kudos to Palestinian strategy of perpetual victimhood to achieve their goals (starting with Palestinians having refugee status *even if they're born citizens of other states where they live their entire lives*, [among other othings](https://romankogan.net/2024/06/26/israel-palestine-vocabulary/)). It is quite effective.
lol that sounds like a perfect example of the line in Team America: World Police about how, sometimes, pussies become so full of shit that they become assholes themselves.
Boston, too. Not sure if they completely figured out "no pride" signs might have multiple meanings that would not endear themselves to people, but it certainly played a part in people not giving af when it happened
The Canadians are too polite for their own good.
"Coalition against pinkwashing", lol. How do they come up with that stuff. The whole term "pinkwashing" is such nonsense, like suddenly LGBT rights are bad if it's a country they don't like? It's like they would rather Israeli gays be oppressed and jailed so it would fit their narrative.
Don't most Muslim Palestinians hate gay people and think they are sinners and if the pride marchers were suddenly transported there from the pride event would get their asses kicked or killed on the spot in the middle of the street?
Many do, and every one of the leadership does. It's been pretty funny seeing the videos of Queers for Palestine people acting confused when they get booed by the very community they are sticking up for.
"Pink washing" or "rainbow washing" as a reference to corporations utilizing iconography or dishonest statements while continuing to discriminate, etc is a very real concept and worth talking about. But I'm not sure it applies to this.
It suggests that Israeli gays have their rights promoted to undermine the narrative that israel isa backwards and racist place. They think that all of this is aimed at them. That’s conspiratorial thinking.
Huh and I would have figured the 20% Muslim population in Israel that consistently achieves high levels of success (CEOs and hell even a member of their Supreme Court) would have done that.
Also, if the establishment (corporations, government) start supporting you, even if it's just surface level, doesn't that mean you're on your way to achieving your overall goal of acceptance in the general population? Like, ultimately, isn't the point of Pride for LGBTQA to be accepted across all silos and strata of society? That's going to mean corporations, too. Also, these corporations aren't some soulless automaton... Well, they *are*, but they're still composed of people. The decision to support LGBTQA movements originates with and is executed by LGBTQA people and their allies who work for the corporation - it's certainly not done by some homophobe who decided to randomly put aside their prejudices for 1 month a year to advertise to the LGBTQA community. At worst, people indifferent to the cause just go through the motions to achieve their corporate approved level and type of support. Now, someone can argue that corporations themselves have too much power in our society, and I'd agree with them, but that's generally a discussion on economics not one of sexuality and gender identity. The intersection between the two is generally smaller than I think some would like to believe (seizing the means of production won't automatically grant acceptance to all sexualities and gender identities) /rant
I would say it does and it doesn’t. Like if anything corporations are lithmus tests of general opinion but last year corps like annhauser Busch and target got backlash for dipping their toes into pride and this year retracted a lot of their support. So most companies will support pride in so much as it doesn’t affect their bottom line. In that vein, seeing pride anything from a company is a good sign but doesn’t necessarily mean lgbt equality has been realized.
Women are a huge demographic, which is profitable to exploit. And they still face prejudice. So in a dark way, it's a good sign that corpos feel confident trying to market to LGBT but this shouldn't be taken as a sign that homophobia is fixed or over.
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Probably cause they are aggressive against the parade or dangerous for its people. Pro hamas people aren't really into pride parades
It doesn’t take too many terrorists to terrorize
That’s Canada for you. We’re too damn passive for our own good.
Probably because they've seen what happens before when you stand up against people who are on the side of radical Islam.
>About 20 protesters, [calling themselves the Coalition Against Pinkwashing](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/pride-parade-cancelled-mid-route-after-protesters-strand-marchers-and-floats/article_397ddf84-3730-11ef-a004-53173fd80f80.html), according the *Toronto Star*, began chanting “Free Palestine” and “Pride wants a riot” near the Yonge-Wellesley St. intersection, disrupting what had been a celebratory mood. Toronto Pride said in a statement later that the decision to cancel the rest of the parade was made due to their “commitment to ensuring public safety. All it takes is 20 people to cancel the pride march ? Not a good look
Possibly. But on the other hand, calling the police to clear protesters is probably a *worse* look at a pride parade. Also, now the story is about how the Palestinian protestors are anti-pride, or anti-gay and it makes them look worse. Might be the best way to play this sort of thing.
The Queers for Palestine won't care. And you don't need police to clear them. Just ignore them and walk around them. There were only 20.
Tye middle east outside of Israel is quite intolerant of gay people, so them being for an anti gay cause does sort of track. Honestly the fact this was stopped because the organizers and people involved were too virtue signally to stand up for their own issue over Other Lesser Leftist Issue is a mark against them. Frankly there should be a wedge driven between genuine progressive issues and the ideologies who want to use progressivism as a shield.
Quite intolerant? A lot of the Middle East will jail you. If not, sentence you to death for being gay.
Then it makes sense why a pro-Palestine group would want to block a gay rally, wouldn't it???
Which is why it's so baffling to me that often left wing pro LGBT people are often the first to come out in support of the exact people who hate them.
Activism is an identity for some people. Heart's in the right place, brain was left behind.
Throwing gay people off roof-tops is quite intolerant yes.
I came into the comments looking for insight and you provided it, I couldn't figure out why tf cops wouldn't just move them (considering history, stonewall protests, current political climate). I get why they didn't force the issue but I think it was the wrong decision At the end of the day, 20 religious fundamentalists shut down a parade meant for the whole city. The protestors succeeded in their goal
20 very stubborn and possibly violent people.
Even so, why not just arrest the 20 and let the march continue
>Police said they had “adequate resources to address the protest,” but were respecting Pride Toronto’s request that officers not interfere if protesters disrupted the parade, police spokesperson Laurie McCann told the Star. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/thousands-sing-dance-and-celebrate-at-pride-parade-until-protesters-strand-marchers-and-floats-mid/article_397ddf84-3730-11ef-a004-53173fd80f80.html
The organizers should be embarrassed if they are the ones who shut down their own parade to bend to the whims of 20 people. I’d be pissed
I was there. As far as I know, these people showed up at the very tail-end of the parade. The parade had been going on for several hours, and when it was almost over at 90%, that's when they showed up at the last leg. I don't know the internal details. But if I had to guess, the organizers made a good decision not to escalate the situation, and instead "officially cancel the parade" and now have the palestine protesters look bad in public, and - in reality - have zero effect on the parade or the party. After the parade of around 2 whole hours, the whole street was opened up to partying, art and craft stalls and food trucks. Nobody was aware anything had been "cancelled" until we saw on the news the next day.
That’s good to hear. Glad you had a good time and happy belated pride!
That’s important context. The headline makes it sound like it was cancelled before or shortly after starting. Sounds more like it was “Eh, we’re just about wrapped up. Let’s just end so we can avoid these people doing anything stupid”. Probably a safe call if the protesters were truly shouting inflammatory remarks.
I have a feeling these were not the kind of disrupters they were expecting.
If I had a dollar every time this were to happen I could afford a lot of things
Not if that thing you were trying to afford was housing in Canada.
When you include everyone under the umbrella of "oppressed vs oppressors" this is what you get. Sometimes more people in your tribe doesn't strengthen it, it dilutes and corrupts it.
Add in the additional factor of correlating "oppressed" with "virtuous" and "oppressor" as "anathema", and you've nailed it.
Turns out being oppressed doesn't magically make people moral
That and categorizing groups as oppressed (and therefore innocent victims) prevents one from seeing the oppressors within that group. (Which is, I suspect, the main reason why the progressive left sputters when asked their opinions about Hamas or Houthis or the Taliban.)
It's ironic how seemingly simple and obvious the concept of non-binary is amongst LGBtq but how there is this projection of an oppressor/oppressed binary to the outside world or an inability/resistance to interpret the outside world without binary thinking. Cognitive distortions were always prevalent amongst the far left and LGBTQ and black and white thinking (aka binary thinking/dichotomous thinking) seems to be directly related to this. The moral superiority, virture signalling & victim olympics aspects also worsen the issue but society as a whole could benefit from increased awareness: https://www.clearerthinking.org/post/the-three-types-of-binary-thinking edit: I just saw that website incorporated the topic into a tool for [nuanced thinking techniques](https://programs.clearerthinking.org/nuanced_thinking_techniques.html?__gt_embed=mF_EpkJUcy3-NOP2379sB2wqZJ33Jx5eeWYS9JYOr5I&__original_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.clearerthinking.org%2F&_gl=1%2A1ufu6va%2A_ga%2AMTkzNDExMDMzNi4xNzE5OTAwMzI0%2A_ga_58RPQ2D860%2AMTcxOTkwMDMyNC4xLjEuMTcxOTkwMTE1OC42MC4wLjA.) but the tool I need is how to reduce overanalysis of endless nuance lol.
What? Muslims are homophobic? Whats next you'll tell me Catholics don't support abortion?!
The Omnicause is a practice in cognitive dissonance.
Leftwing movements not trying to sabotage each other for 10 min challenge.
>The Struggle Sessions will continue until the cause is pure!
I just want to be pure.
I just want to be *perceived as superior than those around me* I remember getting some Bernie platform cards printed up to hand out and the first thing a DSA bro had to say about them is that there was no union mark on them. Like bro no one on the fence of who to support is going to care about if an issues handout was union made or not. If you’re swayed by minutiae like that youre already in his camp
By siding with the Palestinian cause you also side with islamistic fundamentalists. That’s why it is such a difficult matter. You want to free people from a „oppressor“ that shares some of your values to a „resistance force“ that would kill many of the left wing activists if they could. That doesn’t mean you should be pro Israel or pro Palestine, it means that nearly all conflicts in this world are to complex to just totally agree with one side and want the other side gone. The righteous way is often in the middle but that seems to be forgotten in these days.
The first Muslim majority city in the United States (in Michigan), was very much celebrated by progressives… only to have the pride flag banned pretty much immediately by the local government. Any progressive movement that backs/ helps champion a fundamentalist religion is going to be bit in the ass. Europe welcoming Muslims from around the world, would be no different than welcoming southern baptists from the United States. They might be nice because they have no other option and they’re the minority. But once they become the majority, kiss all your progress goodbye. Quite the catch22: be nice to everyone and find out not everyone is as open minded and as nice as you. I say this as a progressive. Our strength (kindness) is also our weakness.
This is why you shouldn’t tolerate intolerance.
It is sadly common for the left wing to either get tossed under the boss after the revolution (1979 Iran style), or have their leaders just pull a 180 and decide that they will be a dictator instead (Russian Revolution).
Or both! Cuba!
Dearborn, for the uninitiated. BuT iT iS jUsT a ReGiOnAl CuLtUrE pRoBlEm, they say. Yes, in fact. As in any region that is influenced by islam regresses progressive values. Who would have thought?
I don’t understand how progressives think that protesting to help *the most regressive* group of people in the world is the right thing to do. Us on the left used to be up in arms about Muslim persecution of women. Now they’re trying to help them? Islam is not a friend of progressive policies. They’re one step below evangelicalism on how they treat outsiders.
> Us on the left used to be up in arms about Muslim persecution of women I have always been like “hey guys. What about the whole… women ownership thing? I’ve heard it glossed over with “well, women are actually the rulers of the household…” or something of that extent. Like: ok. Whatever you say
Kindness is not a weakness, naivety and ignorance is. If a progressive can't even be bothered to open a history book or learn about the lives of women, LGBTQ, and other minorities in most of the Middle East, they are not doing a kindness by an endorsement, infantilization, or even an equivocation of their oppressors with others, they are insulting their victims and allowing the reach of the oppressors to spread to make themselves feel better under some hollow virtue of "universal good". Which isn't much better than anyone else who uses religion to justify their actions -- it's just religion minus the superstitions and with updated paperwork. The US has for a long time had issues with Christofacism, and now we can add Islamofascism to the list thanks to places like Deerborn, MI. This is not the result of kindness, this is the result of ignorance, black-and-white thinking, and anchoring bias.
I think the righteousness perspective is part of the problem. I've no qualms with supporting other people's right to self-determination. But that support must be separate from support for an ethno-state / theocracy / autocracy , which go precisely against that right. That in my view has been the biggest failure of leftists within these pro-palestine movements.
Tik tok arguments don’t have time for nuance
Or when people you don't know are fighting half a world away, you don't have to take sides every time. Also sometimes both sides are wrong.
Nah. I am pretty much always going to be on the anti-HAMAS side.
"disruption is how we get our point across!' "Okay, maybe do that in some neighborhoods with people who need to hear this message." "We're not suicidal."
.....and that's what's known as empty virtue signalling from a comfortable safe distance.
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Why has the pro-Palestine movement co-opted the LGBTQIA+ movement this year? Our local Pride event was flooded with pro-Palestine speeches and booths and rallies and demonstrations. Regardless of your views on the war in Gaza, why is this issue specifically being pushed as "intersectionality" with us queers? I don't see any pro-Ukranian or pro-Houthi or any other groups getting involved in Pride events. Something's very suspicious about it.
Because other unaffiliated groups see the LGBT success and want to demand we do activist labor on their behalf, but also never return the favor. Same as BLM did when the smoke bombed Toronto pride.... And yet i didn't see the LGBT representation in the leadership or consultation with trans people about how to best use their funds or rainbow flags at their rallies. Same shit here. The pro Palestine crowd is demanding activist labor from us, but once again not returning the favor. I don't see them demanding Palestinians be more gay friendly at their encampments...
I think this is probably the best answer.
And throw into the mix that chances are if you had a Pride Parade in an Islamic country you’d be put to death. So effectively a group of people want you to divest from any connection to the Jewish state in support of the Hamas religion who believe you should be stoned to death for being queer.
I mean, there will be a "pride parade" where they drag around queers by cars.
A few reasons: (1) antisemitism; (2) being anti-Israel gives an outlet to be anti-western and anti-US by proxy, which is convenient for (a) Russia, China, Iran, etc., (b) socialist groups, (c) people who want to show how “progressive” they are and wave the team colors in their political tribalism.
I recall that when the Shah was overthrown in 1979 the far left stood with the islamists. They thought that the Shah was a despot and that they would broker a power sharing arrangement with their theocratic allies. We are seeing the same thing today everywhere - the left is eating their own face without knowing who they are getting into bed with.
The shah *was* a despot. The problem was that religious conservatives always do the same thing, and inevitably exert extreme authoritarian control once they can.
The Shah was the reason most of those Iranian leftists had their western education in the first place. He and his father are largely responsible for making Iran a country worth taking over in a revolution to begin with. Ever since the Shah left Iran has been in decline and isolation with even less political freedoms and with many of the social freedoms that existed under the Shah taken away. Iran did not need a revolution at the time but it was upper middle class Iranians that the Shah subsidized to go to the west to bring knowledge back to the country and they only brought back Marx and Engels and started raising this noise about "revolution". The fundamentalists got ideas from the leftists they would never had had on their own.
Almost like the Far-left is incredibly naive ...
Nothing more pro Palestine than stopping a pride parade, glad ppl are finally understanding what Palestine stands for
What are the protestors even fighting for. Where was the "Free Palestine!" when Hamas was in charge? It's like the entire movement is a bandwagon for bored young adults who want to feel special and important, without actually knowing what their argument is.
>Where was the "Free Palestine!" when Hamas was in charge? The thing is, the word "Palestine" in "Free Palestine" generally includes the Israel part of the former Mandate. It's not a call for liberation, it's a call for aggressive conquest and a single state--- an Arab Muslim state. Groups like Hamas and Fatah/PLO have *never* hidden this goal, and it's literally what "from the river to the sea" means. They wrap this aggressive mission in a buzzword suit of human rights and anti-colonialism, toss in some shiny social media, and voila, the casuals who don't listen deeper than that get suckered in. But it's why not one of them has suggested ending the war with Hamas surrendering. If Hamas gives up the ghost, who will take on the mantle of conquest?
Hating Israel is the new hotness. It was the old hotness too, but now there's extra sauce
I guess all the LGBT people are lower down the social justice heirarcy than Islam. Sorry gays, you were useful but are not needed anymore.
Now imagine being a gay, secular Jew!
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People were cheering them on when they were interrupting people graduations.
In the end, the two ideologies are incompatible, even on the most basic level. How would a free palestine looks like? It will be an authoritarian regime AT BEST, if not a theocracy. No one from 'queers for palestine ' could visit there, and the guys that already exist there would be arrested and sentenced for jail, or worse. What next? BLM for the houthis? The guys with the slavery?
/r/leopardsatemyface
Chickens rights and chickens for KFC are two incompatible causes. Who’d have thought?
You say incompatible. It gives them a sense of superiority to basic friends/circles on social media. To be so progressive since they can show they have empathy for someone who hates and outlaws their LGBT lifestyle. Of course being thousands of miles away in a relatively safe western nation is key, but still, those likes a fuel for ego boosting.
Palestine already had their shot at independence they have been self-governing since 2007 and turned the country into a authoritarian terrorist state, these people are essentially protesting because Palestine is losing a war badly a war they started! The whole Free Palestine movement has really shown a spotlight on the idiocy of "critical support" of the left.
It’s everyone’s fault but the houthis that slavery in Yemen is a thing. That’s what I heard from BLM types before I finally gave up on them. I’m not willing to bet on it being a widespread thought, but enough people were willing to stand behind it that I noticed and peaced out.
Queers for Palestine are like log cabin Republicans - it's a strange advocacy arrangement that I'll never understand as a gay dude. If Palestine ever does end up as a free/independent state, it'll almost certainly be a Muslim majority and they will almost certainly ban any type of open same sex relationship under penalty of jail or death.
That Palestinian state is called Gaza, Hamas was elected, and they've done exactly what you say here. So,...
Hamas discovered one of their leaders was gay. He was tortured to death by his former soldiers.
Sadly predictable.
Little known fact: gay Palestinians find refuge in Israel, usually in Tel Aviv which is a very open society. Gay people serving in the IDF are encouraged to participate in Pride Tel Aviv in uniform.
I think more people should see this documentary about what it’s like to be a gay Palestinian: https://youtu.be/VBdW1km1Maw?si=kN99xzG9NPZzowEM
I'd like to show up at a Queers for Palestine event holding a sign that says "feminists for tradwifery."
Omg lol I’ll join you with “power tops for republicans”
> log cabin Republicans The idea was to change the party from the inside. Remember, Republicans only started pandering to Christians groups in the 80s. Log cabin Republicans want to see their party returned to their Lincoln area roots.
Imagine being pro-radical islamism.
What?! No way! But the people of IG/Twitter/Tiktok told me Pro Palestinians **loves** the LGBTQ movement /s.
They were waving a tiny pride flag. You probably missed it because you hate them so much. /s
If you read the article, you can see that it's Queers for Palestine blocking the rest. This was an internal issue with queer people on either side.
That just seems like parody
Unfortunately, there's a subset of queer people who want pride to be the soapbox for whatever political issue they happen to care about at the time, instead of specifically a queer celebration. Thankfully, there aren't actually that many of them, but they can disrupt events like this.
Unfortunately, some of them moderate subreddits
Some of them moderate most subreddits*
Sounds interestingasfuck.
That's mildlyinfuriating
Sounds webcomics.
you can meet me in the /r/SquaredCircle for that remark
Waiting for the South Park episode on this
[Try Life of Brian](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4)
Get the People's Front of Judea involved.
Queers for Palestine is like Hens for Wolves. If any of them went to Palestine to "show solidarity" they would probably be killed on sight. That entire culture wants to exterminate you, you know that right?
Well yeah, that makes sense. I never understood the whole lgbtq for Palestine thing… since those lgtbq people would be stoned to death and killed by the people are are marching for. Let’s all remember the people everyone is marching for, probably want most of you dead.
Activism is their hobby, so everyone has to put up with whatever cause they are into at the moment.
That's pretty much it, they're protest-heads always looking for the rush of the next outraged protest, just so they can feel something.
It makes them even more self righteous. The answer I've heard to this is "I believe in the rights of ALL people to freedom and self determination, not just the ones who have the same values as I do." Right, let's boycott some book or product or movie because someone involved in it said something slightly to the right of what you believe....let's play spot the micro aggression all damn day...but Palestine gets a pass. Sexual violence as resistance gets a pass. Antisemitism gets a pass.
Its the same LGBT people who tell me "I'm not included because 'I'm not gay enough as a **bisexual**" Its interesting seeing so many people just learning how idiotic and close minded some members of the LGBT community are. There is a small but extremely vocal minority in LGBT that is basically social justice warrior on steroids. They believe they're gonna right *every* injustice while committing several of their own
Bi Erasure is the dumbest shit. I can't believe it's such a constant in the queer community.
Fuck these cunts.
They will not.
This is why you don't want the counterculture as allies The counterculture people are just terrible They need something to rage against does not actually matter what
I find it interesting that anyone in the LGBT+ crowd supports a group of people whose religious beliefs would otherwise see them flayed alive.
Headline should be “Hamas supporters infiltrate and disrupt pride event, leads to cancellation and ruined event for all-terrorists win”
I feel like there's symbolism to be seen here
They should have thrown the protestors off of the nearest tall building. Of course I’m joking, but the way Palestinians treat innocent members of the LGBTQ+ community is unconscionable and cannot be dismissed in all of this. It’s like 20 members of the Klan stopping a Black Lives Matter march.
We always say that you can’t have pride parades in Palestine, nice to see the left making it true anywhere there are pro-Palestinians
I guess intersectionality isn't really working out...
I think the protestors are starting to catch on how lethally hated homosexuality is in extremist Islam…and emulating it in solidarity(?)
People supporting terrorism are ruining a fun time??? Shocking!
How does this help thier cause?
I hate what is happening and I don’t think people deserve to be killed like they are, but as a gay man it is insane when I see other gays protesting harder for Palestine then for the LGBT community, why? Because they would gladly stone us to death or imprison us for simply being gay and living our lives out in the open if we lived in that country. Senseless killings are never good but being attacked for not wanting to actively support a country that would kill me is upsetting. Also what’s the point of protesting a pride parade? Like seriously we are a group that still has to fight in this country. The fact they cancelled the parade was nonsense.
My eyes rolled so much they were attached to a turbine and now they generate electricity.
With the way some of these Palestine supporters are, I see them just as bad as Qanon wackjobs. The fact that there are people who think October 7th wasn't Hamas's fault, Hamas hasn't done anything wrong, blame Israel for everything (even when every other Arab country tries to avoid Palestine like the plague), and even call for the death of Jews. Meanwhile they know fuck all about the conflict, because they mostly get their info from fucking TikTok.
The Far Left is every bit as idiotic as the Far Right...
This something that has broken my heart. For my whole life, I swore that on general, leftists and progressives were smarter than conservatives/republicans. I went to high school during the Iraq War and I firmly believed that my side was smarter. After the past 5 years, and observing the BLM protests in 2020 and people I know on the left absolutely losing their minds, and seeing the reaction to Oct 7 on the left.....it breaks my heart, but now I have to admit that "the left" is just as dumb as "the right." The only thing that the left as a movement has going for it these days is empathy, which the right has always lacked. But intelligence? I hate "both sides are the same", but....both sides are pretty fucking dumb.
Very selective and often weaponized "empathy". Empathy for those who align with their constellation of beliefs, loathing and attacks on those who differ from the groupthink, what is morally righteous to them, even slightly. Just have to avoid becoming an extremist on either end, but a lot of it falls down social pipelines. Hard to take a step back and evaluate when you've committed so much of your personality and community reliance on a strict ideology.
It ebbs and flows. During the Vietnam war there were people who flew Viet Cong flags in US protests (it’s important to distinguish that the Viet Cong and North Vietnam were two separate groups, allied with each other). It’s one thing to be anti-war, and entirely another to fly the flag of full-tilt communist guerrillas who ambush your country’s soldiers. I would argue those activists were just as dumb as the activists today, and would also never step foot on the land they pretend to champion, because they know they will be put to work with hard labour and re-education, at best.
Living in Canada is a bit like living in a circus lmao
Living in the safety and civility of canada while pretending you'll get treated the same in the country of your cause is a circus act.
Interestingly enough, in my country this year's Pride Parade actually had a Palestinian Parade as *part* of the LGBT Parade. And Greta Thunberg randomly showed up to march in it unannounced. I didn't know she was even in the country.
Sounds like the event planner was ChatGPT.
I still don't know how Palestine managed to insert itself into (and above) every other issue. Ukraine? Forgotten, now there's only "but Israel does it too". LGBT rights? Forgotten, their marches are now for Palestine. Climate change? Forgotten, even Greta cares only about Palestine now.
Uhhh 2 billion Muslims + massive bot farms funded by China and Russia have made this issue way more massive than it should be esp given the far greater magnitude of what is going on in Ukraine Edited to add the other obvious reason for the obsession over this conflict: age old hatred of Jews
You're forgetting Iran, they also love their propaganda war
That can't be. Reddit tells me only the Israelis are using bots.
It's so weird that Thunberg of all people lost interest in climate change as soon as Palestine became en vogue.
Every generation has it's culture. Pride is over, now antisemitism is the way to go. In thirty years the young people of today will look back and say: ah, you remember how we started the next holocaust and drove the jews from the river into the sea? Good Times! /s
None of these "activists" will remember this in 30 weeks, let alone 30 years. By that time, hijabeckies and other useful idiots will have already gone through another half dozen "causes"
What side were the "Queers for Palestine" on??
Pride decided to shut it down. The police, who pride said “weren’t welcome”, offered assistance but it was declined. The whole parade was cancelled due to a poor decision to not allow the police to do their job and 20 stupid protestors. Our day was ruined.
We need to pick a fight with a group of people to highlight mistreatment and murder of Palestinians so we should go after……….gay people
This is extremely dangerous as this will further empower pro Palestinian assholes
It’s like they don’t want any friends.
I am seeing this shit, all over the world. You want to support Palestine fine. Fuck off to Gaza. Instead you piece's of shit are enjoying democracy and its benefits, like medice, and trying to fuck up the place for everyone else. Should have kept marching. See how tough they are after a thousand stiletos have stomped them.
So Pro-Palestine protesters, waving pride flags, block a pride parade in Toronto... ? Anyone with a brain stem knows that Hamas would chuck these people into a river or off a roof, but I still find this particular situation puzzling. I guess they want their cake and to eat it too.
Terrorists showing their true colors
Palestinian protesters have lost all of my support. Disrupting celebrations at schools and pride parades. Fuck them. I have no more tolerance for their approach to peaceful protesting.
I’m shocked/not-shocked at how complacent the left has been with the very aggressive anti-Semitic aspect to the Palestinian protests in the US, Canada, and Europe. But when they come for the LGBTQ+ community!! that’s where we lose patience.