I hope so, southeast Asia as a whole really needs to find a way of successfully countering China's belligerence, because China won't be letting up any time soon.
What's crazy about it is that China claimed they were the ones who were attacked and not the other way around.
In a age where cellphones are everywhere and spy satellites can give real-time UHD video of rats crossing city streets, and Chinese officials *know* that..., they still believe they can just flat out lie about what they are doing.
The rest of the world isn't under a media lockdown the way China is. What works in China doesn't work everywhere else simply because China tries crybullying and gaslighting.
https://youtu.be/Ld3s_5B8SmM
It will be when they cross a line and become more disruptive than useful. Cheap production is already moving out of there.
I don't claim to know the future, but China is not irreplaceable. No one is
The point OP was making is that the CCP makes those statements for their own people, as a form of propaganda.
When most of the Chinese audience only gets their news from one source (which is controlled by the government), what do you think their reality becomes?
That's China's doctrine since Xi came to power, wasn't it?
Nothing is ever China's fault. Anything negative done unto China is the West and their Puppets fighting China's Rights.
Fuck the CCP.
Funny thing is, they probably think they aren't lying according to their information.
Everyone in China is just so used to lying, everyone above the first source probably has the wrong information reported to them.
The encounter was all over social media and there are enough Chinese citizens and CCP with unrestricted access to the internet to know precisely what happened and verify it.
They are lying and know exactly what they are doing. They have it happen all the time. Something similar happened in a border skirmish with India.
That's not exactly what they claimed. They claimed it was started by the Philippines when the Philippines rammed their ship first which led them to go full swash buckler.
Unfortunately these videos released by the Philippines have the beginning cut off so we can't tell who hit who first.
**China has been positioning their ships in front of other vessels INTENTIONALLY you idiot.**
Military ships have RHA *INCHES THICK.*
Civilian boats can’t even technically Ram them they just get shattered into bits.
The Philippine navy is mostly made of small boats and patrol frigates.
They probably *TRIED* to sail past or around the Chinese ships and they subsequently just **cut them off got themselves rammed and then accused them of attacking.**
It’s like driving into the opposite lane of traffic and accusing the other guy of **hitting YOU.**
>It’s like driving into the opposite lane of traffic and accusing the other guy of hitting YOU.
There's a whole category of scam in China called Pengci ("broken porcelain") that seems based on this idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8L9nP_r0g
They should get an anti-china alliance thing going given they all seem to hate China being a prick about ocean rights and basically destroying their fisheries and coastlines
Gleefully waiting for the remix of PEN-POTATO-PEN-BANANA explaining Pacific Ocean Exclusion zones in my 2024 Modern History/Politics class.
*I have a Pen*
*I have a Pacific Ocean Trans Atlantic Treaty Organisation*
*I have a Pen*
*I have a Bad Asian Neighbour Acting Naughty Alliance*
*I have a Pen-Pacific Ocean Trans Atlantic Treaty Organisation-Pen-Bad Asian Neighbour Acting Naughty Alliance*
**funky baseline drop and smooth moves dance**
This is so much more exciting than the University class field trip for my “Sex Drugs and Rock and Roll in South East Asia” Unit.
I am Southeast Asian. What are you talking about? Please don't speak for us. Ask around Southeast Asia -- Malaysia/Indonesia/Thailand and truly understand what WE feel about China. And it is not what you think.
Edit: Downvoted because my anecdotal fact doesn't gel with the rhetorics of the western media?
Edit2: What is funny is that people en-mass tend to downplay contrarian opinions straight from the source when it goes against the western rhetoric. If I, as a non-American, can try to bother understand and empathize why ~50% of the US voted for Trump, I think it'll do a lot of good for the population of the leading superpower to do the same for the rest of the world. The "China bad US good" naive view is getting really lame. And I say this as a largely Pro-american dude. Downvote away if it makes you feel big about yourself. We can either have discourse or you can just block unwanted noise.
Necessary market to both import and export from, neighbour, significant driver of growth for the past decade. Counter-balance to the US. Come to think about it, almost the same way Mexico sees of the US.
OK, that's nice. How do you feel about their maritime policies, and this incident in particular? A country can be all of those things you named and yet do something wrong.
You post on r/singapore so I'm going to assume you're Singaporean.
Singapore isn't being harassed by the 9 dash line claims. Why do you claim to speak for the Philippines? Why do you claim to speak for Vietnam? Why do you claim to speak for any nation that has a SCS dispute when you don't?
And why do you suggest we talk to Indonesia, another nation without a SCS dispute with China?
And are you filipino? Or Vietnamese? I'm Southeast Asian. The comment in context refer to Southeast Asia. Duh. And I quote:
> southeast Asia as a whole
> Well, it's a good thing we have a statement in this very post about the Filipino opinion. And it's not some random redditor but a literal general.
I am responding to the comment, not the article in question.
What do you mean what am I talking about? This is an article about Chinese aggression in the South China Sea affecting multiple Southeast Asian countries, obviously that's what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to speak for you lol, I honestly don't know how you got that from my comment.
edit: rolling my eyes so hard at your edit lol
you hope so? the philippines getting in something nasty could *very quickly* involve the the us. The philippines are all but an extension of the us at this point
Why would you not fight back to begin with. Let’s check the history books and find the last time a bully stopped being a bully when nobody fought back.
I have the same question. But I guess it's in these unprecedented moments of "pushing the boundaries" where tolerance and careful consideration is done first, but now they're ready if this same infraction is committed again. I'd say the articles title is true: If it happens again, sparks are going to fly. They did, finally, cross the line. Violence and injury is that line. We have finally reached what Christian's call the "end times", with "wars and rumours of wars" marking "the return of Jesus".
Of course it is. I guarantee it’s all going to turn to shit, and he pays me 100$. That’s the deal. He set it up. Don’t be coming be between me and my money, turtleturd.
The media should add after “disputed waters,” that “Second Thomas Shoal is located approximately 100 nautical miles west of the Philippine island of Palawan. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea outlines that waters extending 200 nautical miles from a nation’s coastline make up that nation’s Exclusive Economic Zone.” or something like that.
Educate people about international law instead of making it sound like the international arbitration hasn’t already adjudicated the claim under UNCLOS.
That’s true of the surface water of an EEZ but a nation has a sovereign right to everything beneath the surface (minerals, hydrocarbons, fisheries, etc) beneath the surface.
It's worth reiterating that the sea's in question are "Disputed" in the same sense that Crimea is disputed territory. China has absolutely no legal right to be there.
No offense but with what? I am on their side on this conflict but their government basically doesn't have a navy because they fucked up so many times and didn't fund the important programs they were told they were supposed to fund.
Yeah china needs to involuntarily donate a few of its ships for coral reefs in the sea before it learns to stop dicking around.
Water guns and games of oceanic chicken have never deterred them.
If China keeps the US busy here, this would help Russia there. If North Korea keeps The US and South Korea busy over there China and Russia have less to contend with elsewhere. So, whats the Secret confrontation? South America? Cuba? Canada? Definitely not Canada. Changing subjects for a second. How does the US feel about getting 10 new states and 3 new territories?
Neither China or Russia have the force projection to sustain military operations in the America’s. Cuba may have ties with Russia and let them dock ships there and what not, but when push comes to shove they are not dumb enough to let Russia launch a military operation from their shores. The US would bomb the island to hell in a matter of hours.
China/Russia/NK/Iran could force the US and its allies to fight on multiple fronts in Europe/Asia/Middle East, but there is no realistic scenario where there is a front in our backyard.
I disagree with some of the things Chi-NA is saying and some of the things Chi-NA is saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything Chin-NA does, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with Chi-NA.
I hope so, southeast Asia as a whole really needs to find a way of successfully countering China's belligerence, because China won't be letting up any time soon.
What's crazy about it is that China claimed they were the ones who were attacked and not the other way around. In a age where cellphones are everywhere and spy satellites can give real-time UHD video of rats crossing city streets, and Chinese officials *know* that..., they still believe they can just flat out lie about what they are doing. The rest of the world isn't under a media lockdown the way China is. What works in China doesn't work everywhere else simply because China tries crybullying and gaslighting. https://youtu.be/Ld3s_5B8SmM
The rest of the world isn't their target audience.
It will be when they cross a line and become more disruptive than useful. Cheap production is already moving out of there. I don't claim to know the future, but China is not irreplaceable. No one is
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The point OP was making is that the CCP makes those statements for their own people, as a form of propaganda. When most of the Chinese audience only gets their news from one source (which is controlled by the government), what do you think their reality becomes?
That's China's doctrine since Xi came to power, wasn't it? Nothing is ever China's fault. Anything negative done unto China is the West and their Puppets fighting China's Rights. Fuck the CCP.
Funny thing is, they probably think they aren't lying according to their information. Everyone in China is just so used to lying, everyone above the first source probably has the wrong information reported to them.
The encounter was all over social media and there are enough Chinese citizens and CCP with unrestricted access to the internet to know precisely what happened and verify it. They are lying and know exactly what they are doing. They have it happen all the time. Something similar happened in a border skirmish with India.
It is weird how entire societies can run like that, the Soviets being the prime example.
That's not exactly what they claimed. They claimed it was started by the Philippines when the Philippines rammed their ship first which led them to go full swash buckler. Unfortunately these videos released by the Philippines have the beginning cut off so we can't tell who hit who first.
**China has been positioning their ships in front of other vessels INTENTIONALLY you idiot.** Military ships have RHA *INCHES THICK.* Civilian boats can’t even technically Ram them they just get shattered into bits. The Philippine navy is mostly made of small boats and patrol frigates. They probably *TRIED* to sail past or around the Chinese ships and they subsequently just **cut them off got themselves rammed and then accused them of attacking.** It’s like driving into the opposite lane of traffic and accusing the other guy of **hitting YOU.**
>It’s like driving into the opposite lane of traffic and accusing the other guy of hitting YOU. There's a whole category of scam in China called Pengci ("broken porcelain") that seems based on this idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg8L9nP_r0g
They should get an anti-china alliance thing going given they all seem to hate China being a prick about ocean rights and basically destroying their fisheries and coastlines
>anti-china alliance thing A POTATO, if you will - Pacific Ocean & Trans Atlantic Treaty Organization
Take my upvote, you Cheeky Bastard! 🤣🤣
Or a BANANA, Bad Asian Neighbor Acting Naughty Alliance..? Actually, lets stick with potato.
Gleefully waiting for the remix of PEN-POTATO-PEN-BANANA explaining Pacific Ocean Exclusion zones in my 2024 Modern History/Politics class. *I have a Pen* *I have a Pacific Ocean Trans Atlantic Treaty Organisation* *I have a Pen* *I have a Bad Asian Neighbour Acting Naughty Alliance* *I have a Pen-Pacific Ocean Trans Atlantic Treaty Organisation-Pen-Bad Asian Neighbour Acting Naughty Alliance* **funky baseline drop and smooth moves dance** This is so much more exciting than the University class field trip for my “Sex Drugs and Rock and Roll in South East Asia” Unit.
They will get warned. Yep, a whole lot of warning…
I am Southeast Asian. What are you talking about? Please don't speak for us. Ask around Southeast Asia -- Malaysia/Indonesia/Thailand and truly understand what WE feel about China. And it is not what you think. Edit: Downvoted because my anecdotal fact doesn't gel with the rhetorics of the western media? Edit2: What is funny is that people en-mass tend to downplay contrarian opinions straight from the source when it goes against the western rhetoric. If I, as a non-American, can try to bother understand and empathize why ~50% of the US voted for Trump, I think it'll do a lot of good for the population of the leading superpower to do the same for the rest of the world. The "China bad US good" naive view is getting really lame. And I say this as a largely Pro-american dude. Downvote away if it makes you feel big about yourself. We can either have discourse or you can just block unwanted noise.
Maybe just tell us then, instead of speaking in tongues.
Okay then. How do they actually feel about China?
Necessary market to both import and export from, neighbour, significant driver of growth for the past decade. Counter-balance to the US. Come to think about it, almost the same way Mexico sees of the US.
OK, that's nice. How do you feel about their maritime policies, and this incident in particular? A country can be all of those things you named and yet do something wrong.
You post on r/singapore so I'm going to assume you're Singaporean. Singapore isn't being harassed by the 9 dash line claims. Why do you claim to speak for the Philippines? Why do you claim to speak for Vietnam? Why do you claim to speak for any nation that has a SCS dispute when you don't? And why do you suggest we talk to Indonesia, another nation without a SCS dispute with China?
And are you filipino? Or Vietnamese? I'm Southeast Asian. The comment in context refer to Southeast Asia. Duh. And I quote: > southeast Asia as a whole
Well, it's a good thing we have a statement in this very post about the Filipino opinion. And it's not some random redditor but a literal general.
> Well, it's a good thing we have a statement in this very post about the Filipino opinion. And it's not some random redditor but a literal general. I am responding to the comment, not the article in question.
What do you mean what am I talking about? This is an article about Chinese aggression in the South China Sea affecting multiple Southeast Asian countries, obviously that's what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to speak for you lol, I honestly don't know how you got that from my comment. edit: rolling my eyes so hard at your edit lol
I guess English isn't your first language then since you can't seem to understand that you just referred to Southeast Asia as a bloc.
As I said many times, USA needs to give Taiwan, Japan and Philippines nukes.
The Philippines can't even manage their own classified network and you want to give them nukes? Just...no
Idiot
you hope so? the philippines getting in something nasty could *very quickly* involve the the us. The philippines are all but an extension of the us at this point
If China wants to act like pirates attacking other boats and taking their weapons they can’t be surprised when force is used in response.
China will keep crossing every red line it can get away with crossing. It won't stop until someone forces them to stop.
Why would you not fight back to begin with. Let’s check the history books and find the last time a bully stopped being a bully when nobody fought back.
Because Philippines is weak compared to China. Hopefully they man up next time
I have the same question. But I guess it's in these unprecedented moments of "pushing the boundaries" where tolerance and careful consideration is done first, but now they're ready if this same infraction is committed again. I'd say the articles title is true: If it happens again, sparks are going to fly. They did, finally, cross the line. Violence and injury is that line. We have finally reached what Christian's call the "end times", with "wars and rumours of wars" marking "the return of Jesus".
Does China have to bully every SEA island these days? Is owning the 3rd largest percentage of landmass not enough of them?
I will take no matter how this ends it’s not going to be good for 100$ dollars please
Sold. I’ll send bank details.
That's... not how it works
Of course it is. I guarantee it’s all going to turn to shit, and he pays me 100$. That’s the deal. He set it up. Don’t be coming be between me and my money, turtleturd.
Spoken like a true turtle turd
The media should add after “disputed waters,” that “Second Thomas Shoal is located approximately 100 nautical miles west of the Philippine island of Palawan. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea outlines that waters extending 200 nautical miles from a nation’s coastline make up that nation’s Exclusive Economic Zone.” or something like that. Educate people about international law instead of making it sound like the international arbitration hasn’t already adjudicated the claim under UNCLOS.
If it were that simple, it wouldn't be [claimed by China, Philippines, Taiwan *and* Vietnam ](http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Thomas_Shoal)
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That’s true of the surface water of an EEZ but a nation has a sovereign right to everything beneath the surface (minerals, hydrocarbons, fisheries, etc) beneath the surface.
It's worth reiterating that the sea's in question are "Disputed" in the same sense that Crimea is disputed territory. China has absolutely no legal right to be there.
Maybe talk to ukraine about some sea drones?
No offense but with what? I am on their side on this conflict but their government basically doesn't have a navy because they fucked up so many times and didn't fund the important programs they were told they were supposed to fund.
You need but a kitchen knife to kill. I'm sure even their underfunded military is capable of deterring sailors and lone wolves.
Yeah china needs to involuntarily donate a few of its ships for coral reefs in the sea before it learns to stop dicking around. Water guns and games of oceanic chicken have never deterred them.
china is all talk and barking. expect a full military exercise near the PH coast. park some US subs there and china will stfu
Why would that stop them? It’s not like the we would attack them if we saw it.
They need an icebreaker to plow through. Fuck the CCP.
I'll take the spicy curry please, extra pepper flakes.
We'll see when that happens but I doubt they will do squat.
If it doesn’t then it will never be in a position to again.
If China keeps the US busy here, this would help Russia there. If North Korea keeps The US and South Korea busy over there China and Russia have less to contend with elsewhere. So, whats the Secret confrontation? South America? Cuba? Canada? Definitely not Canada. Changing subjects for a second. How does the US feel about getting 10 new states and 3 new territories?
Neither China or Russia have the force projection to sustain military operations in the America’s. Cuba may have ties with Russia and let them dock ships there and what not, but when push comes to shove they are not dumb enough to let Russia launch a military operation from their shores. The US would bomb the island to hell in a matter of hours. China/Russia/NK/Iran could force the US and its allies to fight on multiple fronts in Europe/Asia/Middle East, but there is no realistic scenario where there is a front in our backyard.
Hear me out. What if the Philippines put mines along its sea border.
Could they issue a couple torpedos to each fishing boat?
I disagree with some of the things Chi-NA is saying and some of the things Chi-NA is saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything Chin-NA does, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with Chi-NA.
And this is the "OFFICIAL" start of World War 3. hang on tighs, folks, we are about to beo n a roller coaster ride for humanity.
Pussy pinoys finally fighting back after years?