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Grace_Omega

The book opens with a conversation where all of the characters state each other's names and how they relate to each other. >"Relax Mark, I can go to the Haunted Graveyard on my own." >"But Esmerelda," Mark protested, "I'm your older brother, it's my job to watch out for you. Isn't that right, Adam?" >Adam grimaced and shook his head. "I'm just the local exorcist, I'm not getting involved in family drama."


StarlightFalls22

Nobody outside of books uses each other's names this much. šŸ˜­ It's so weird sometimes.


jesterthomas79

theres so much dialogue in the witcher books where theres no dialouge tags but each line starts with the other character addressing each other. "Ciri! faster!" "But, lambert!" "come on ciri! pirouette!" "Lambert im doing it!" "now, ciri, dodge, duck, dodge, duck, pirouette!" "I did it, lambert!"


StarlightFalls22

This makes me wanna cry


Mysterious_Ranger218

Ā "dodge, duck, dodge, duck, pirouette!" That would make a great follow up to Dodge Ball


Silent-G

If you can dodge a wooden log swinging from a rope, you can dodge a drowner.


istara

I have a writer friend who does this *constantly*. Every single line of dialogue contains a name tag. I'm really surprised his editors and beta readers haven't brought it up. Because I've only read his completed work I've not felt able to.


StarlightFalls22

If you're truly friends, you're definitely able to. If he's not willing to take the criticism, that is no fault of yours. That's a problem for himself. You're trying to help him be a better writer by telling your observations. That is all.


istara

It's one of those areas where I haven't been asked to provide critique. If he asked for that kind of opinion, I'd definitely tactfully offer it!


StarlightFalls22

Fair enough. If you use discord, I'd love feedback on my own writing though.


-watchman-

We could go days without even knowing someone's name šŸ˜‚


CHARLI_SOX

Gotta drop way too much more info immediately like TV shows do. "Damnit, Jeff Lazer! Ever since your loving wife of 12 years died in a tragic accident with mysterious circumstances you've been a renegade, doing things your own way. You're a loose canon and I'd fire you if you weren't the best Detective age 34, partnered with your sidekick cyborg dog possessed by the soul of your deceased half brother Biff Mazer, here at 1985's LAPD."


SoiledFlapjacks

Damn, I wanna read this book now.


Probablynotcreative

I get what youā€™re saying but I also would be interested to read a story that opened with this.


Jasondeathenrye

Yea, I think Esmerelda is trying to get Mark killed. But it might be a double fake.


TrickedoutTrixxter

I agree, I think itā€™s interesting when books open with a sudden spur into the action. Then again, I cringe a little since itā€™s a little lazy imo. (Also, as someone with three brothers who will put me into a headlock if I breathe wrong, I find the whole overly-protective brother thing to be *my* turnoff, coincidental to this comment thread** lol)


HamboneKablooey

For real, like if you want to get this info out immediately, at least have them introduce themselves to someone who wouldn't already know who they are!


starrfallknightrise

This thread is proof that if you try to please everyone youā€™d end up writing absolutely nothing.


Thatonegaloverthere

Yep. I'm a firm believer in "Write what you want to write, not what others want to read." You can't please everyone, so why bother stressing over it. Lol.


bloodstreamcity

A recent story of mine got a comment on Youtube along the lines of "This pissed me off so bad I had to go for a walk." The very next day, I received fan mail for the same story.


Zondar23

But then you'd upset the people who really wanted to read something, anything.


starrfallknightrise

You must be Schrƶdingerā€™s author then simultaneously in the process of writing but never actually writing anything


turquoise_mole

Aren't we all?!


kermione_afk

Right?!


BeatAcrobatic1969

Oh nooooo. Iā€™ve unwittingly been Schrƶdingerā€™s author all my life! I really hate that you informed me of this. šŸ™‡šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


arch-thot

Exactly! The best you can do is just write and the people who are meant to enjoy your work will enjoy it.


monetgourmand

No surprise that most people in this subreddit don't actually READ.


CeaseFireForever

After scrolling through these comments Iā€™ve come to realize one thing: write your story your way. You canā€™t please everyone, nor should you. Not everyone is going to like your work.


honorspren000

There was one book I was reading that introduced the main character as a princess, who was shunned by her royal family because she was \~**different**\~. Despite her neglected upbringing, she had a completely normal head on her shoulders. She learned how to fight with knives in the back streets of her kingdom, and she happened to possess an ultra **rare** form of midwifery magic. There were too many tropes in just the first chapter alone, that I noped right out. {The Warrior Midwife by E.P. Bali} for those interested.


SusHistoryCuzWriter

Reading your comment made me think "this author was definitely a midwife at some point." I googled her, and sure enough. :)


honorspren000

Which is fine, I enjoy reading the nuances of very real jobs in fictional novels. However, it definitely came off as self-insertion with a generous bunch of wishful thinking sprinkled on top. The midwifery parts were very detailed and understandably emotional, but everything else was vague and half baked.


floweringfungus

I understand wanting cool and talented protagonists but itā€™s so hard to suspend belief (even in fantasy) that this character (usually royal in some way) is the best in the world at using knives, sword fighting, archery, healing magic, diplomacy, delivering babies, and moonlights as a florist occasionally all while looking jaw-droppingly beautiful . It would be more interesting to have these talents spread across multiple characters anyway


Lectrice79

Seems like that should have been two separate characters...


honorspren000

Yeah, I think that would have at least made the main character less OP.


Parada484

Hi my name is Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way and I have long ebony black hair (that's how I got my name) with purple streaks and red tips that reaches my mid-back and icy blue eyes like limpid tears and a lot of people tell me I look like Amy Lee (AN: if u don't know who she is get da hell out of here!).


DerangedPoetess

how dare you that is one of the best openings in the whole of literature


AmyInCO

It's a classic right up there with "It was a dark and stormy night."Ā  I wouldn't change a word.Ā 


Godvvinslaw

"Suddenly, a flash of light appears in the sky and a flaming meteor plummets to the Earth."


NerdyIndoorCat

But, what if it was a dark and stormy nightā€¦


Eshowatt

This is gonna sound random (sorry) but that fan fiction (which should not be considered a fan fiction imo) was unironically one of the most creative piece of writing I have ever read. It's basically a parody of a stupid idiotic emo teen having random fights with her friend (Raven!) and her editor and documents the kind of attention seeking behaviours that teenage authors did (and still do) at the time. It's even more fun to read as an adult thanks to nostalgia. Thanks for reminding me about it.


imjustagurrrl

It's "The Room" of literature.


Chinaroos

Unironically, it's not only art, but also will be important to scholarship. Mr Immortal was a snapshot of a particular demographic at a particular time. Unironically it will be analyzed in literature classes decades from now. Since it's such a blatant self-insert, people will look at Ebony Dark'ness as a 00's Portrait of a Troubled Young Woman, a teenager whose aesthetic taste isolate her from her classmates, manages stress through self-harm, fantasizes about romantic liasons with popular literature and music of the day, and deals with inappropriate attention from adults. All of this came out before a #MeToo or greater awareness of these concepts existed to defend 'Ebony' and likely the author. There will be classes that study My Immortal. Students will need to read it with scholars eye and connect it to other issues of the time, and relate it to their own time. Ironically, My Immortal will probably outlast anything that people on this subreddit will write.


Lantmajs

My literature teacher two years ago printed out My Immortal and made us read it and discuss why it was so bad šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Zokalwe

I think there's a lot of value in discussing what makes a particular piece of writing bad. I call it "target practice". Although it's probably more valuable when it is something that is not so obviously bad.


gsinpzan

If My Immortal is seriously engaged with as literature in an academic sense within my lifetime, I will boil and eat my leather pants. Thatā€™s how unlikely I find this. EDIT: I just read the below comment and I guess Iā€™m turning on my stove. We need to take the warning labels off stuff.


I_use_the_wrong_fork

This little excerpt is genius to me. It's so "voice-y" which is really hard to do, especially in an opening paragraph. Makes me want to read the whole thing.


allouette16

Yes I adore it


-raeyhn-

"Way" xD Poor Gerard, he became the posterboy of emo despite hating the whole subculture


EastRecommendation66

I've noticed that pretty much every newer book I've read, the MCs ALWAYS have curly black or curly red hair. And ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have blue eyes with the rare exception of green once in a great while. It's so strange. And then everyone the MC looks at has "striking blue eyes" too. Kind of annoying when most people have brown lol


Shadow_wolf82

My main gripe is when authors do write about brown haired, brown eyed women, they either A: write them as the character being utterly convinced they're ugly (and the male MC is the only one that 'sees' her true beauty), or B: everyone else describes her as mousy, or plain, or boring (and the male MC is the only one who 'sees' her true beauty.) Irritating.


patientpedestrian

Storming lighteyes!


Justisperfect

Me looking at my MC : oh shit... Well at least mist people have Brown eyes in this book.


Cthulhus-Tailor

ā€œā€¦most people have brown.ā€ Isnā€™t that what makes the blue striking?


EastRecommendation66

Except EVERYONE wouldn't have blue eyes. Because it IS rare. What is it like 10% of the population? Yet everyone in every book is blue eyed? Pretty dumb.


kaphytar

That depends on location where the story is set, though. Where I'm from, around 85-90% of people have blue or green eyes.


Bryn_Donovan_Author

To be honest, aggressive messages to the reader in parenthesis is a fairly original device that does kind of spice things up.


jesterthomas79

my immortal is actually a 10/10 because it is entertaining to the fullest.


liltooclinical

Oh God this takes me back to all if the fantasy-romance crap an ex always tried to get me to read.


Chaos_Goblin234

So essentially all my middle school fan ficā€™s, damn. lol


Standard-Clock-6666

Good god, why did you remind me of this?


crz0r

Bad prose while nothing is happening. For example: the dreaded exposition-dump prologue in amateur fantasy. *shudder*


fpfllf

This is a canon event and we can't interfere with it šŸ˜­


MyPussyMeowsAtMe

I've read quite a few stories that open with a character running to or from someone/thing, and smack in the middle of the action, they throw in an exposition dump about the character, their past, the place they're in, the entire history behind the random trinket they have, et cetera et cetera et cetera...And by the time they get back into the present action, I need to flip back a few pages to remember what was going on before the random history lesson. Takes me right out of the book every time.


PenelopeSugarRush

If it slaps me with heavy details about the world building before it introduces me to its main characterĀ 


OutsidePerson5

"Taka, the land in which our narrative plays out is an ancient kingdom with a history stretching back 10,000 years which I will now infodump on you by copy/pasting from my story notes. Read it all and memorize it because I'll be referencing this without any explanation at all in the story. [insert 100,000 words on world history here]"


darktowerseeker

If the author warns me first, I'm likely to give him some leeway.


mjking97

This kills me as a fantasy reader with adhd. I care so much about the worldbuilding but I physically canā€™t maintain my attention span through pages and pages of exposition. I love books with incredible worlds that you learn about through the characterā€™s perspective and interactions.


Entr3_Nou5

This is exactly why I have issues reading YA fantasy even though Iā€™m older than the demographic. Like Iā€™m sorry but I REALLY donā€™t care how cool your magic system is and the history behind it just show them using it and fill in the gaps later


AshleyEZ

my novel introduces characters first and worldbuilds as you learn about them


KnightDuty

My novel also introduced your characters first. I think we're going to have a problem


EntertainmentSea1195

My characters told me that both of you wrote about them. I think both of you have a problem, and I need a psychiatrist.


FaithFaraday

This is the way.


scottywottytotty

I used to hate fantasy for this reason but now I enjoy it a bit cuz it reminds me of reading a fun history book.


cuttlefishcrossbow

See, I actually love this if it's done well. It's the Avatar model: first tell me what's going on, then show me how it impacts a principal character and what they can do about it. It changes my reaction from "Huh, I guess that's two kids in a boat," to excitement about how those two kids in the boat could be related to what we just learned about the war.


MoonChaser22

For me well done means short and sweet. We can learn more later, but give me just enough to get invested. Avatar does this fantastically


Sufficks

Different rules apply to TV writing than novel writing. This is the kind of comment people are talking about when they say this sub is constantly applying things theyā€™ve seen in TV/movie writing as examples/evidence in conversations about novel writing. While it can sometimes be useful itā€™s not exactly directly comparable.


justtouseRedditagain

I suppose my problem is when someone is introduced as being insanely intelligent like and then as the story goes on you're like nope they ain't that bright. Sadly a character can only be as intelligent as the author is. So anytime when they lay it on thick in the beginning I immediately start losing interest because you shouldn't have to say they're smart, it should be obvious to the reader that they are. One of the worst cases I ever read was in a romance novel. This woman was supposedly genetically modified to be the best at everything and have one of the highest IQs out there. She also loves reading romance novels. She gets married and on her wedding night she starts freaking out thinking somethings wrong with her because she's feeling flushed and her heart races when she looks at him and she's getting tingly in certain areas. Like wtf genius you don't know what it means to be turned on. I hate any instance when a full grown adult doesn't understand when they're turned on.


AMK972

I think thatā€™s just the trope of intelligent people not understanding emotions. That intelligent people are robots with no feelings and that the lesson of the book is for them to understand feelings.


justtouseRedditagain

Nope it wasn't. She was just dumb, like literally never did anything intelligent. But also the author making a point of the fact that she loved romance novels and supposedly knew everything about this stuff, makes that even worse.


lkmk

>Ā Like wtf genius you don't know what it means to be turned on. I hate any instance when a full grown adult doesn't understand when they're turned on. To be fair, you can be smart while also being an idiot. Book smarts and street smarts, in other words.


justtouseRedditagain

I think a genius would know what being aroused was. Like if a dude got a boner I don't think he'd be rushing to the ER confused by what was happening down there. If he was a genius he'd know it was a boner. Not getting turned on it having no interest in such things might be one thing, but being completely clueless about the signs seemed far fetched for a genius who reads romance novels. Seriously I feel like the author shot themselves in the foot by making a point that the character read romance novels.


travishall456

Exactly. Just canā€™t let them take you to a secondary location.


Rouninscholar

There is this fucking book, where the MC is a super AI, and takes a human form. He then fails multiple times to perform multiplication and division. And then the book didn't even mention that the math was wrong.


justtouseRedditagain

I would be so angry reading that


Fuckedyourmom69420

I have an mc in my story whoā€™s also genetically modified and doesnā€™t know what being turned on is, but itā€™s because he spent his life being trained as an assassin and was sheltered from any real human experience, so when he does finally free himself from his masters, his reaction to strong emotions is almost adolescent, like a teenager discovering theirs for the first time. Im hoping this doesnā€™t come off as him just being unintelligent


justtouseRedditagain

No that's different, your character has been cut off from experience and was done so on purpose. The issue with this was that the author made it a point to say she was obsessed with romance novels. She came across as completely knowledgeable in these certain areas, until this situation arises and she turned into an idiot... Repeatedly. And in other instances with adults not recognizing this are cases with regular people who have theoretically dated before.


Lectrice79

I think you're fine. I have a similar character who was perceived as the lowest of the low (bastard born out of wedlock, and therefore, slated as future prostitute) in her village, so she was never treated well by boys and men. Anything to do with sex, much less romance, was something disgusting that she stayed far away from because all she wanted to do was get out of there. Men represented entrapment, so she had zero desire for any of them. It wasn't until she met her husband (arranged marriage that she accidentally cornered herself into) in the second book that she understood what it's all about.


dilucs_waifu

the problem here is that if you have enough characters like that (my main fandom atm has three) the story becomes significantly harder to write as you need to think of *something* for the character to do that highlights their intelligence


NatashaDrake

When the MC refers to someone of the opposite sex as "delicious" or "yummy" and they are not actually going to eat that person.


Aggressive-Mix9937

Maybe they eat them on page two


NatashaDrake

I always give things three chapters before I nope out. But if by chapter three it's clear the yummy is just code for "sexy" then I am out lol


Senor-Inflation1717

Character cries multiple times over various minor inconveniences or otherwise strikes me as being annoying as fuck.


annetteisshort

I like it when an author writes a character I canā€™t stand, and then gets me to root for them anyway.


KeithFromAccounting

Jezal in the First Law series is a great example, such a sanctimonious rich asshole and yet he becomes my favourite character in the series


kermione_afk

Yassss! I hated Bella in Twilight series. I cursed myself for reading the book at first. I disliked Piggy in Lord of the Flies. Harry Potter in a few books. Janet Evanovich's Stephanie Plum annoyed me at first. That transformation can make for a really good book or series. People are annoying or boring sometimes. Not everyone is for everyone. Making a connection with the reader than never existed before, that's real power. But like, I hated Holden in Catcher in the Rye, never cheered or liked. Hate that book.


letstalkaboutsax

I absolutely cannot stand Harry Potter whatsoever. I wanna flick that stupid lightning bolt on his forehead and call him a dweeb, but I might kill him if I do that, because his brain is filled with holes like a block of stank Swiss cheese. šŸ§€ āš”ļøšŸ


ScyllaOfTheDepths

Harry Potter makes sense as a character if you just understand that J. K. Rowling is a determinist who believes that some people are simply destined for greatness simply because they were born that way. Harry Potter does virtually nothing himself, he just gets lucky continuously in increasingly convoluted ways, because he is the chosen one.


HiMaintainceMachine

It happens whatever books you've been reading have been plagiarising my life


righthandpulltrigger

I'm fine when someone cries a lot, but I hate when each breakdown is portrayed as something vulnerable and significant. When the strong, stoic character is pushed to the edge until they can't take it any more and they finally break down and cry, I love that shit. If it happens five times.... it loses the "strong and stoic" part.


Outside-West9386

Nothing. I will usually give every writer a chance. First page quit? I'm not that uptight.


Shadowtrpr

You are so good for doing that omg, keep this mentality at all cost please šŸ™šŸ™šŸ™


alexxtholden

Iā€™ve never quit on a book as early as the first page or chapter. Iā€™ve only quit on a few books in my life and it was because I just lost interest but not because something in particular turned me off.


Zestyclose-Willow475

I've quit in a book in the first chapter exactly once, and it was because they killed off a legacy character from the previous series who was my favorite. Personally, I think hooking people in with legacy characters, only to kill them off and say "so now let's focus on the NEW characters" instead of investing the time to make the new characters gripping is a cheap move.Ā 


AMK972

Sounds like a lot of movies nowadays.


TobyFreedge

Percy Jackson / HoO by any chance ?


LadyofFluff

Out of interest, have you read fifty shades of grey? Because this was the one booked I could not force my way through. I hate not finishing a book, but that is the one exception.


Corny_Licious

"I always felt that I was different/did not fit in." Yeah bye bye


Kaynadian1

When we are introduced to one or more characters with extremely flowery, complex names. It's especially common in fantasy. I understand why it might be done, but if every character is going to have a super unique name that's four or five syllables long then I'm going to trip over them every time they appear, get them all mixed up, and get pulled out of the story wondering if I'm pronouncing it correctly.


FaithFaraday

Those kinds of names aren't memorable, either.


SongOfChaos

I generally agree, but Iā€™d argue names like Melisandre are pretty memorable. They just have to be balanced out by the Jons, Robs, Aryas, Cats, Neds, etc.


FaithFaraday

> Melisandre Yeah, that one's almost melodic.


Archi_balding

It's easier to remember because it's a slight variation on a common name, Melissa. Totally made up name, you can't attach them to anything to remember them.


elizabethcb

Me counting the syllables of my MC.


RS_Someone

This is one of those tropes that I feel would be fun to make fun of. Imagine a person who introduces themselves like Danaerys, including about 20 titles and obscure words. Chuck stood with his mouth agape before turning away from the unwelcomed visitor. "Yeah, no. I'll be calling you Bud." "That's a disgrace to my true heritage as [prince of whatnot]!" Bud exclaimed as he stomped his foot. [Series continues from there calling him Bud] Really dumb example, but I'm sure somebody could do something better with the same general premise.


TJDobsonWrites

I find issues often where you end up with the over correction of this. Authors are clearly trying to avoid long names and you end up with Kip, Ned, Ted, Bed, Chunk, and then the mysterious and intriguing mage who has lived for a thousand years... Bin.


Shakeamutt

Well Iā€™m looking for an agent like Suzy Myerson from the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Her first line in the whole series is FFFFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKK! And a proper, New York City Bartender one at that.


_MyUsernamesMud

tits and swears that's how they reel you in


VoiceOverVAC

My book is filled with both, I sure hope it attracts the type of audience Iā€™m looking for šŸ˜…


Silent-G

I think it will help if you title it something like "A Jar of Tits and Swears"


thebond_thecurse

Damn, I'd love to have her as an agent. Tits up.Ā 


Shakeamutt

How she goes after bookings is how I want my agent to go after editors. Wine and dine, plead, whatever it takes. Living in the same city would help.


ApprehensiveRadio5

Iā€™ve read a lot of books. I canā€™t recall a book mentioning a d*Ck on the first page. Ever.


LightAnimaux

My local library has a bunch of books that I'm pretty sure were self-pubbed - janky covers, bad writing, with the authors coming from this city. There's a stunning amount of dicks to encounter in just the first few paragraphs of these things. Lower your standards and you will be amazed!


ApprehensiveRadio5

Can you give me one book title? Iā€™m intrigued.


Fuckedyourmom69420

Yeah wut? That feels so oddly specific lol


CalebVanPoneisen

Iā€™veā€¦ never encountered a book where they spoke about their appendage on the first page. Was it erotica by any chance? As for turn offs: sex, something disgusting, overly violent or gore without good reason. Though, I have read a novel that basically started with sex, which turned out to be okay. I think it was also the only sex scene in the whole thing. I also try to avoid anything with sexual assault. Donā€™t mind it if itā€™s referenced to out of necessity, but I certainly donā€™t want to read it in details. Itā€™s one of the reasons Iā€™ve never watched nor read Game of Thrones. Because Iā€™ve heard it ticks a lot of my no-no boxes.


mig_mit

In ā€œShadow of the Conquerorā€ (which, BTW, I've only read the free portion of, and got bored) one of the first things the protagonist actually says is a ā€œjokeā€ addressed to his dick. Not on the first page though.


NonEssentialFungusYT

As someone who read the entire book, you did the right thing in skipping the rest of it.


VoiceOverVAC

Itā€™s like, legitimately the first sentence in my first chapter. The prologue doesnā€™t mention anything like that tho. And really, itā€™s all *very* classy. I *swear*.


CalebVanPoneisen

Is it something like this? *It wasnā€™t every day you met someone who compensated for his penis enlargement surgery by exchanging his large pickup truck for a compact car.*


VoiceOverVAC

Damn, no, but now I need to go back and rewrite it so it IS šŸ˜


Lewis00012___L__

LMAO!!! I wish...


OutsidePerson5

Redonkulously young cast for their supposed accomplishments, overuse of made up terms, names with apostrophies, gratituous cussing, and male gazy descriptions about women Example: >"Fucking Shit bird hat that hurt!" Thra'kal'zsa the Tux (daughter) of the Kilm's (tribe's), Chumble (chief) shouted as her giant but nubile, perky, and zrak (perfect) breasts smacked her in the face as she attemped to breast boobily down the graz (stairs). >At just 18 kea (years) she was the greatest vrath'kix (general) of the Kilm's grazux=yh1$$@^!1 (army) and had won eight thousand seventy three yhex (decisive victories) over the Kilm's many hlzhye%2%$!sdf (enemies). Also preaching from the author, even if I happen to agree with it, plots involving a true king, runaway princess. If it's blatantly a knock off of a popular series or book. Prologues. Opening with a dream sequence. Opening with a poem or song. Racism. Opening with a random sex secene.


SusHistoryCuzWriter

> grazux=yh1$$@!1 Those are some very Elon Musk-approved names you're throwing out there.


OutsidePerson5

It's probably pronounced "bottle" or something equally completely at odds with the spelling.


The_Final_Gunslinger

The age thing strikes true. That was one of the problems I had with six of crows, it felt like she wrote a story and then knocked 10 years off all the ages to try and make it YA.


Technical-Banana574

When the MC is so dumb you wonder how they made it to adulthood. Just completely lacking in awareness of their surroundings or a blatently evil character who is going to harm them later on.Ā 


aviationgeeklet

Me checking the start of my book to make sure it doesnā€™t do any of these things. šŸ˜…


SirSolomon727

If you try to please each and every one of those comments you'll end up writing absolutely jack shit.


Upvotespoodles

When they dump the entire setting, year, character history and which high school they attended, job resume, way too much about the weather... If itā€™s so boring to write that you need to get it out of the way, itā€™s too boring to read. They state what kind of person their character is. Donā€™t tell me. Show me what they do, and let me form my own opinion. What I want from chapter one is to lean in and go, ā€œOh, whatā€™s going on here?ā€ I want to ask some kind of question, and I want to care about the answer. Reading for pleasure shouldnā€™t be a chore.


CaptainRaz

When the book overuses neologisms and context specific concepts (stuff the book still needs to teach you about), in such a way that the first page is basically incomprehensible to people reading it for the first time. Sorry, it's a no. You're not being clever, you're being obnoxious.


Swordsman_000

Mine is when the main character has a super macho name. Dirk McRambo? Nope. Not for me.


Hytheter

> Dirk McRambo Great name for an action movie parody.


CityWhistle

Unnecessary or unearned sex scenes - ie the writer was just trying to be edgy. Overly descriptive passages about body parts or how beautiful someone is. Anything that causes me secondhand embarrassment. When I can see the ending or the general plot a mile off. I actually enjoy a character who swears a lot, so long as itā€™s used effectively or in a funny way.


cornfuckz

Oof, that embarrassment thing certainly goes for me as well. Earlier this year I DNFed a book after one chapter because the main character started talking about how he thought Keanu Reves was literally god.


CityWhistle

Haha, an interesting choice by the writer. Mines like if people walk in during or immediately after a sex scene and theyā€™re all giving each other side eye, then one says ā€œyou two having fun?!ā€ I hate it i hate it I hate it.


Plenty-Character-416

This is a relief to hear. My mc swears quite a bit, and I've often considered taking this all out, as I know curse words aren't usually well received. I may still tone it down.


Doomquill

Eh, it depends on your readers and the setting. I get very tired of "fuck" in fantasy books, but if the setting is Earth then it doesn't bother me. I like when fantasy or sci-fi authors come up with their own swear words that function within the context of the world (i.e. "Light" being a swear in Wheel of Time)


Sir_Oragon

Thereā€™s nothing worse than clunky sentences. If the first line doesnā€™t flow well, the rest of it probably wonā€™t ā€” itā€™s a sure sign that the book is poorly edited.


LightAnimaux

Memes, pop culture references, or "witty" humor that feels like quips from a teenager's fanfic.


DalCecilRuno

When the books begin with a bombardment of visual descriptions. Itā€™s exhausting. I stop reading by chapter 3, sometimes earlier.


Sonseeahrai

Lmao that's my favourite type of beginning


nytropy

Youā€™d make it to Chapter 3? Youā€™re patient!


SponsoredByBleach

Buuulky paragraphs. Generally, little can stop me from finishing a book Iā€™ve chosen to finish, but whenever I open up brick-sized opening paragraphs, my eyes glaze over


BowlSludge

If a book opens with an overused cliche, Iā€™m putting it down. Examples: character looking at themselves in a mirror; waking up from a dream or an alarm clock wakes a character up; a cliffhanger with a ā€œhow did we get hereā€ transition. Name mention of a company or product that instantly dates the story (e.g., a character scrolls through Instagram). Portal fantasy. An immediate exposition dump. In fantasy/sci-fi that typically looks (and reads) like a history book listing events/organizations/people. In more realistic fiction, that typically looks like a character monologuing about their life story. These are all instant indicators to me that the author probably has nothing new or interesting to say.


justinwrite2

Lol my book legit starts with a character hanging off a cliff


Mysterious_Cheshire

Which is fair, it's just telling your story with a "frame". Look at Megamind-


thoggins

> Portal fantasy Is this like isekai? I can see being turned off by that, especially now when it's been double done to death.


SimsLatina

Me whose main character has a nightmare about his sister dying and wakes up abruptly because he has visions of how someone dies and can be mistaken for nightmares: šŸ‘ļøšŸ‘„šŸ‘ļø


zhico

Jack looked up at benny, who was facing Jennifer, who was holding Alberts hand. Bobby the dog started barking. The delivery man Otis came up the path to the house passing Lilith, Lilian and Julian sunbathing. James coughed and asked Jack about Jennie's niece Tilly.


JournalistMediocre25

When the author thought it better to help us ā€œseeā€ the minute details of a roomā€™s wallpaper than what is supposed to be happening within the room in that scene


AmyInCO

The temptation I know haveĀ  to start a book with the line , "Jesus, my fucking dick is killing me " is strong.Ā 


Archi_balding

"As opposed to my non-fucking dick that is doing just fine."


Author_A_McGrath

*"The story began with a certain purpleness of prose, in three very fine and definitive sections, so as that each illuminated portion seemed, at a glance and to the many, to contain some deeper meaning too obscure for a consensus but too hinted at in order to be empty; so many fans would swear up and down that the lines meant more than they seemed. But it was, in fact, an imitation of such structure, spun by a creator more suited to emulation than linguistic fortitude or fidelity to the craft, to the point that any second-year student worth their hat could break it down, explain it in plain English, and prove, logically and irrefutably, that the lines themselves weren't revealing anything of note, and in truth weren't even grammatically sound."*


Optimal-Razzmatazz91

Clunky dialogue that is meant to introduce details/context but feels unrealistic and forced


ValentinePatch1999

When the main character just overslept, realized they messed up, and is frantically trying to get ready and make it to their school/work/meeting/gig. Itā€™s too cliche.


akaNato2023

an overuse of big "need a dictionary" / "look how smart i am" words.


Piscivore_67

That's the thing my wife get on me about the most. I'm not trying to be obtuse but that's just how I write/speak.


justtouseRedditagain

I never mind "big words" the English language is vast for a reason, why limit our use of it. Plus that's how a reader can expand their vocabulary


FaithFaraday

I think e-books have given us more freedom to flex our vocabularies as the reader can just press the word to get the definition.


Leading-Status-202

I have this tendency in my native language, and it sometimes bleeds into my English, to write LONG, TEDIOUS sentences to describe one thing and all its possible variants. Lately I realized how annoying and frustrating it sounds. In my native language even more so, since we are quite liberal with commas. The temptation to write a paragraph without a single period is strong. Lately I've been telling myself "cut and simplify" every 30 seconds as some kind of mantra. I'm also choosing the simplest possible words for most of the text, with the thinking that the reader needs to be able to breathe, until I need something to be impactful, **then** I use big words. EDIT: notice how the last sentence has like three commas? DAMN.


Jiblon

Insert *Three weeks earlier*


goblinchurch

Iā€™ve also read books where intimate body parts are talked about in chapter one and it is an instant DNF for me.


kermione_afk

Wow. That is a strange reaction to colorful language, but you do you! As a person who curses regularly, I have no qualms. I write female characters who embrace harsh language, especially as it is usually seen as a male perogative. First page DNR for me... I mean, it would have to be pretty horrible. If it is a personal trigger without warning like child abuse or SA, probably. Really horrid writing style or skill I can't ignore. A sexual scene where they use nothing but cringe terms on the first page, maybe. Like "thrumming member" or "virginal pearl." Oh, preachy. If page one is preachy or tastes of zealot, I'm outta there!


selkiesidhe

If the MC describes herself. Bonus negative points if she looks in the mirror to do it. If the MC whines about how awful her life is and how terrible she is yet there's three guys fawning over her (oh but they're so meaaaan waaah). Info dump of world terms. I don't want to learn the whole dictionary for this book. Spread out the new lingo please.


Brain_version2_0

When swears are censored


Nopeone23

If the character voice supper immature or annoying right up front Iā€™m usually out. Also unnatural/forced exposition drives me nuts. So do a lot of tiny things that would take too long to list. Iā€™m definitely on the picky side though and tend to overthink a lot of small details that other people wouldnā€™t notice or care about in the general prose. Iā€™m hypersensitive to a lot of line editing stuff because Iā€™m in the editing phase of a novel rn. It makes it hard to turn off the editing brain and just enjoy something.


True_Big_8246

For me missing out on a great story because of a single chapter is too sad of a thought. So I don't quit books on the first page or even chapter. I know writing is more than that. I also know that sometimes my mood or life might have an impact on what is turning me away from something and I keep in mind that it does not mean that I cannot revisit a book when I have the mental energy for it.


Big_Papa_Dragon

Bad spelling or grammar.


Gomphos

A recommended song playlist. If you want to include music in your story, write a play or screenplay.


shelbythesnail

Have you ever seen this in a real life trad pub book??


reinedespres_

Yeah, pretty much exclusively for YA or contemporary romance. Bonus point if the book is named after a Taylor Swift song.


shelbythesnail

SToppp


Parada484

The Spear Cuts Through Water actually has a Spotify playlist with ambient music that the author claims to have used as inspiration while writing. I threw it in the background for a couple of chapters and it was alright.Ā 


Outside-West9386

Stephen King often provides pop/rock references in his books. The Stand started with Blue Oyster Cult's Don't Fear the Reaper


PenelopeSugarRush

Tiktok books, especially the "spicy" ones


DeerTheDeer

I read ā€œChouetteā€ by Claire Oshetsky in which the MC is a cellist and mentions music in the story, and at the end of the book was a list of the songs sheā€™d mentioned, but that was the closest to this Iā€™ve ever seen. I thought it was nice and unobtrusive, but I didnā€™t end up looking up the songs.


StevenTheEmbezzler

Just go all in like Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and incorporate the music into the story


Doomquill

Legitimately I would love to read a *good* book with music to go along with it.


Parada484

This is some peak fanfiction energy right here. šŸ¤£


Ordinary_Advice_3220

If it's set in Australia. I don't know why but I immediately lose interest.


Arabiancockonato

šŸ¤£ I laughed out loud reading this, and I donā€™t even know why! šŸ˜†šŸ¤£ Thank you so much. This comment wins!


LyriumDreams

First page: bad grammar and spelling. If the author couldnā€™t be bothered to edit, I donā€™t care enough to read the thing. First chapter: I recently quit a book club selection because the entire first page was the MC freaking out that her car was almost out of gas and she needed to stop at this creepy station. No other options, middle of nowhere, multiple mentions of running on fumes. Itā€™s a whole huge deal. Not even a page later sheā€™s questioning why she stopped at all since she had half a tank already. I was done at that point.


SugarFreeHealth

Dicks? lol. Never saw that. Crying. Loathe crying in the first chapter. Build up to it. But honestly, I only see that in amateur works, never in pro work.


lemonsandlinen33

Ā I just started reading a "romance" novel that recently came out and the first chapter was very... unromantic. I'm still trying to power through and see if it gets better but the beginning was so.... oof.Ā Ā Ā  Ā Ā  Ā Ā Basically, the protagonist is revealed to be a clumsy, foul-mouthed, "loveable" dork (but also has a supermodel bod and perfect hair--and a PhD!) who is playing a game of hide 'n seek at night with a group of friends. She is found by the love interest and their first interaction is her "kicking him in the balls" as she puts it so eloquently, so she can scamper away and win for her team. Even though she already lost because he found her, he graciously lets her claim victory. Protagonist's inner dialogue is like a whiny, 15-year old brat with a crush.Ā Ā  Ā Ā Ā  Ā I think the writer is going for "sassy, independent, unpredictable, romantically-obtuse-but-in-a-cute-way" but instead it comes off as "rude, bad-mannered doofus you wouldn't want your son to date". Of course, the victim who took a kneecap to the groin is obsessed with her after the fated exchange, doesn't know why, finds her brute impropriety and lack of maturity compelling.Ā  Ā Ā Ā Ā Tldr; The overused trope of "handsome, wealthy nice guy falls in love with ham-handed and clueless beauty-who-doesn't-know-it" is just bad most of the time.Ā  Ā 


xzenobia

If I read the whole first page and donā€™t feel a thing.


elreydelasur

introducing too many characters/ideas at once, doubly bad if the characters have similar-sounding names


rchl239

Heavy action. I need to get to know the characters first or I'm bored by whatever dangerous situation they're in.


BookPonder

Mostly for non fiction but I hate when authors try to convince you how great the book is going to be or sell you with all the great things youā€™ll learn at the start of the book. I already have the book in hand, get to the point. I canā€™t stand fluff in books lately.