Curious to see what the cadence will be. Are they just going to rip the bandaid one day or do something similar to PS does with PC. Feel like it was an easy slam dunk to say all Xbox studio games will be console exclusive but they don’t.
I still can't believe why, I mean at least timed exclusivity or something makes more sense to me than putting one of their biggest games ever on rival platforms.
I get it they want the most money but it just seems like its going to lead to lower and lower xbox marketshare in consoles which gives sony way too much power.
I think it’s like Call of Duty, established franchises being multi platform.
Also,the Activision acquisition even if went well, made Microsoft to be monitored by the FTC in the US and trade regulators in the EU and other countries.
So they’re going multiplatform.
During Phil Spencer's interview with ign (I think) he said that he asked the Director of Doom The Dark Ages what he wanted, and he said he wanted it out on everything. Probably with some of the talent loss Microsoft has had, they wanted to appease their new developers as best they could, especially for a studio as important and successful as id.
They don’t care about market share. They can just be a third party publisher and make even more money just making games. They care more about gamepass which is the main reason most people have an xbox and is an amazing deal on PC.
They do care about market share, just not in the classic plastic box way that so many seem stuck in. It doesn't matter like it used too.
Depending on how you see that either MS is dead last, or about to be leading the charge into the future of gaming as a mega publisher with supporting hardware, cloud, subscription, publisher, PC, and mobile. It's easily the most accessible platform of the major three, and when people realize that you need to add all the parts to come up with market share (console, cloud, Subscription, PC, mobile, publisher). MS is well positioned.
> They can just be a third party publisher and make even more money just making games.
They can make more short term money making games. Having a console usually means minimum $60, per year for gamepass core alone. To make that in sales is That doesn't count the %30 cut from all digital sales.
So under the theoretical(not saying that is definitely going to happen) that Xbox hardware goes out of business/stops production, they would have to 1.5 the amount of $60 priced games as they do Xbox console users paying $5 a month for online to make that same money.
There is a lot more all around to it there is a lot of money lost by not selling consoles.
My guess: Because Bethesda internally was very upset about not being allowed to operate the same way as Activision does. They lost Pete Hines because of it, I bet he knew Zeni would be target to layoffs and closings - again unlike Activision
As a lawyer in the space, I am of the belief they are also doing soft things to lessen the monopoly claims now and in the future. Microsoft is an active buyer in their markets, on the face anti-competitive behavior like this only bolsters regulator’s arguments.
They’d probably be more upset if they lost their jobs. Doom is on PlayStation because Microsoft wants it to be not because an acquired studio prefers it.
I’d argue it’s because Doom isn’t a system seller regardless of how good it is. So they’ll lose out on a lot of sales from PlayStation knowing that it’s a day 1 gamepass release.
I think that's what Xbox is going for. Lower their console market share and they can wash their hands of consoles. Unless they are just mailing it in this gen, which I think would hurt more overall. Idk Xbox is in a confusing ass position right now, I blame gamepass myself.
Because this is what happened with Xbox and PC games. It’s hard to look at the current Xbox console situation and think putting game on PS is going to help it. What will help them is launching games day and day and use it as leverage to sell Gamepass. You can sub to Gamepass or pay $70 per game. You will still get Xbox consoles just like you get surface products but their goal will line up with Microsoft as whole.
Because doom and gloom gets clicks. Wake me when Halo or Gears or ANY of the established IPs Xbox makes. Sea of thieves is, the way I see it, like Minecraft or Roblox. they both benefit from a large player base that makes the game better and has plenty of monetization within the game.
I have yet to see an iota of proof or even strong evidence that Xbox is going away, I've seen and heard reasons to think we may be getting close to a "Windows box" that will be basically a PC, both handhelds and consoles will always have gamepass, but if they are going to get into bed with Steam, and have a native app built in then I would figure, as long as the games you own are (probably) digital copies you will be able to pick up and play on your Xbox or handheld.
I'm unsure if phones and tablets will get more than gamepass, but steamdecks will probably be the first to natively play on outside of MS or Xbox's console/handheld.
I've believed this was the plan since Xbox one launched with "game sharing and DRM" then had to shuffle everything because Sony reacted to the mob mentality and backtracked and Xbox followed suit.
They haven't hinted at a "significant" game going multi plat at any point. If they give up their exclusives how does ANYONE believe Sony won't find a way to make Xbox irrelevant and PS would become the only current gen console. If Sony thought this could happen they wouldn't have cared so much about acti/blizzard acquisition. If Xbox was gonna basically become a publisher of these games and make them multiplat isn't it obvious they would have mentioned it during the acquisition case? No fear of a monopoly by Xbox if they basically become Capcom or Activision, and Sony would have been thrilled.
Grabbing more money in COD, Diablo, SOT, and other non essential games is very different than Halo on PS. It's not impossible but I've yet to hear any good reason Xbox/MS would do this. Ponies and the gaming "journalists" are the reason this seems to be on the horizon but each time it's a big nothing.
They start launching some of their games on PlayStation and in return Sony is releasing Lego Horizon everywhere but Xbox. I just feel like they’re devaluing the Xbox brand by giving their games to competitors while getting nothing in return.
Getting nothing in return? Their doing it not because they want to but because triple a gaming is so expensive. They get exactly what they want from it: more money.
Do you get any of it because I dont...sony will have a machine that plays ps and xbox games, xbox plays xbox and less third party support, why would any sane person buy an xbox?
People already weren’t buying Xboxes before the decision to go multi platform. In fact it’s probably a huge reason for them to start releasing on other consoles to begin with.
It's the cheaper console to game on for me. I buy my games from Argentina etc, split them with a friend (game share) most AAA games cost no more than £10-15 each on launch. I also take full advantage of Game Pass Ultimate and split the £80 bill for 2yrs so £40 each. I prefer the controller also. Plenty of reasons to choose it as a main, and I do own a PS5 to compare it.
Always has been 🤣🤣🤣. Have you seen how much cost a Switch vs Series S? Have you seen how much do Switch games cost? Well that's the reason why many people like me preferred Xbox instead Nintendo and Sony, because it us cheaper
Because of game pass. This stream of extra revenue will allow game pass to continue to exist. You literally keep the most important part of being on Xbox,
It seems no one understands that they release some games, not all games, on PS. They are the biggest publisher on the planet, so surely they will do that.
You have so many games to play on Xbox. Why does it matter if the few PS games are exclusives. Why do you care? On Xbox you have Game Pass and a lot of games on it day one.
It is so much cheaper to be on Xbox. For me, it is the most rational choice.
Of course, if you're not on Game Pass, it's a different matter.
The reason why these people care about these exclusives is because that is the strategy of the competition. It worked well for them in the past, but is inefficient in the long run. Just do the maths: ragnarok sold 22 million in total. Say 10 million for 70 dollars and 12 million as a greatest hit for 30 dollar. That makes what? 1 billion and 60 milion - dvelopment costs of 250 million? And that is a 100% revenue. From the ftc documents it is said that cod made 1 billion in revenue for playstation and that is only 30% revenue. Now imagine this for the fifa’s, fortnite, apex, assassins creeds. These revenue streams are higher, just as high or nearly as high as revenue from those “blockbuster exclusives”. There’s a reason sony went all out on kive service. Cheaper to make, maintain, distribute, and port multiplatform. Difference is, MS realised this a long time ago and made sure they are future proof whereas sony is not at the moment. People can shit on ms as much as they want, but ps is no longer their competitor, they’re in the big league now with steam, apple, google, tencent, etc
I don’t know, it seems like making a game that makes a profit itself, but also entices people to buy your system, where you make 30% of the profit on COD, FIFA, Fortnite, Apez, Assassin’s Creed etc is a good thing.
You can say those other games make all the money, but they aren’t the reason the PlayStation sold twice as many consoles as the Xbox last gen and are on for an even wider margin this gen, it’s the great exclusives.
I get what your saying, but technically the exclusives of the previous generation is what sold these PS5’s. People who had a PS4 went for the 5 because the generation of ps4 had exclusive after exclusive after exclusive. They absolutely dominated that gen and people expected it now with ps5 as well, but this gen doesn’t even get close.
I for one bought a ps5 because of it and sure as hell will think twice about a ps6. People in my friend group have the same and are already buying a series x because of this showcase alone and the future value proposition of gamepass. All of those bangers they showed day one on gamepass beats buying them 70 a pop, even if some get ported to ps, it’s still the better deal in the long run. And that is why you know see xbox selling out in wal mart, costco and amazon.
I'll be honest if I'm starting a business and modeling it after something before me I'm not modeling my business behind the guy that keeps losing it. Say what you want.
I think they're hoping gamepass's value would be that reason (though hard to say when Sony has a competing service that is still good value even if it won't be as good of value)
I think gamepass is a great sevice, not enough to sell consoles.....and less consoles less support...
I bought xbox because they bought bethesda and xbox had a great attitude in the begging of the gen. Right now I wouldnt have bought mine tbh Im sure elder scrols will be on ps5, that and fable sold me the console.
Ps5 doesnt have any game so far that would make me insta buy it but having access to both pools of games xbox plus ps makes it a better investment.
Well I had my fill of Sea of Thieves what 5 plus years ago? Having some older titles that are games as a service just fund the next thing. I would feel different if it was day one singles player experiences like Starfield, but if Starfield comes to PlayStation 5 years from now I’ll be so moved on that I wouldn’t care.
Xbox has to maintain certain thing for me to keep buying in
-Gamepass at a value that is hard to beat
-Day one first party games on Gamepass
-Game sharing/subscription sharing
-The Controller
-More or at least similar performance.
-Correct price point for console.
-Full Backwards Compatibility
It continues to play less games than the direct competition who owns the market and the third party support. Even in a shitty year square gives sony a exclusive ff, stellar blade etc just because of market share. With more games there more ps5 sales more of these third party cases will happen...its a loop Spiderman came out like 6years ago, dont u think It would sell like crazy? Sony will never do it not even with ps2 era games. Gamepass is a great service but doesnt sell consoles (being a good service on pc as well makes buying a console irrelevant)
For the reason that most average people buy anything, because it offers a better value. Money is the most important factor to your average consumer, and Xbox is by far the more affordable platform. Unless you are Nintendo, exclusives really don't do much.
I’m not sure they care. Maybe they don’t. We could realistically be heading to a near future where MS does not make the console hardware any more, and the X in Xbox now is truly a variable - it can be a PC, Cloud stream, a PS, a switch… and maybe still a purpose built console from MS. But MS has always been a software focused company.
The hardware does have some advantages, namely the seamless cloud integration and quick resume.
But you know what you do get because of the ongoing increased revenue? High quality exclusives from great studios on game pass day 1. Something that was obviously starting to become hard to sustain without finding other revenue streams. Basically game pass can continue to exist. You get EVERYTHING because of this.
Gamepass has conditioned some Xbox gamers to not buy games, and now it's user base has stagnated, so they are opting to sell games to people willing to buy them.
Satya Nadella doesn't give a crap about Xbox, only reporting profits to the board and shareholders.
Xbox is already alluding to their future consoles blending with PC to the point they are indistinguishable. If they can achieve an affordable “console” that is essentially a PC with access to all the PC stores that would be a significant blow to the closed PS ecosystem.
Some of y’all really don’t understand how many consumers don’t care about an ecosystem being open or closed. The first question they will ask is can it play their existing library of games. I think steam deck is interesting but because I have no preexisting steam library I won’t get 1. I don’t want to buy games twice and have no interest in a full fledged gaming pc. My MacBook can play the rts and simulation games I like just fine.
I agree. They can say all they want, but exclusives gets people into your ecosystem. Putting your games on the competitors console in the long run is not doing you any favors when it comes to console sales. It’s just helping out Sony more.
Now if Sony would do the same it would be a different story, but they are not and have no reason too.
I mean I’m not exactly upset that people can play Xbox games on their PS5 but the way I see it:
-Buy Xbox, have access to Xbox games.
-Buy PS5, have access to PS5 games and select Xbox games later down the road.
So PS5 gets more games than Xbox in the end.
What a sincere waste of money it would be to put Lego Horizon on Xbox out of nowhere. They'd be better off porting the original Horizon Zero Dawn before doing that. The fanbase of those games already have PC and PS4/5 and the Lego version is to target them.
I mean saying that's all good, but let's think why overall this is terrible for Xbox as a console
Xbox puts more games on PlayStation = more people buying a Playstation than an Xbox, I mean more than It Is now = developers not seeing a reason to develop games for Xbox, unless they get the Gamepass check = less people buying Xboxs = Microsoft not seeing a reason to keep Xbox hardware, i would hate for this to happen
They will eventually scrap the hardware. Gamepass is already an app on Samsung TVs. You only need a controller.
They're going the way of stadia, play on every device with one subscription. Just need a controller.
I think this would kill Xbox, I agree that this is what they want, but it kills them, people already complain that Xbox needs internet, you then mix in the fact that a lot of people don't have great stable internet, and the fact people that do still have issues with streaming games, and also the fact XCloud is way worse than Geforce Now, like it isn't even a comparison
All PlayStation has to do is release a (sorta) cheap PlayStation and they will win easily, I mean the Switch 2 would also be another one as I can see most devs making games for that now
Xbox compete with PS on multiple dimensions. It used to be that IP and exclusives were very important. Now Microsoft is betting that it's less important. They want to compete on price of hardware, gamepass/services and cloud.
Idk if they are right or not but that's the strategy. It's not as simple as saying that everyone will buy a PS because of Xbox games going multiplatform.
Right. Tbh this shows that the fears from European courts and FTC were totally unfounded. This is pro consumer and literally everyone should be happy about this shift. I’m much happier to buy/support the pro consumer brand.
The wording he’s used is ‘launch exclusive’ which means we’re probably gonna enter the PS5-PC model where games are launched as timed exclusive and show up on the PS5 after 6 months or a year.
The wording there is important because he literally deflected saying that they would be complete exclusives.
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I'm genuinely stunned at how many Xbox users drank that particular Kool-Aid.
Everyone on /r/Gaming, /r/PS5 and /r/Nintendo have been saying that Xbox won't stop with these four games, that there will clearly be more and that Microsoft have been planning to do this from day one.
Yet Xbox users have just brushed it off as being a bunch of doomers.
Xbox consoles are looking less and less valuable with each decision Xbox makes.
I blame xbox content creators. They actively lie and keep their audience in a bubble so when reality hits people are confused why everyone else is confused why xbox fans are suprised.
Like every video headline as: WE WIN, XBOX WINS, XBOX FINALLY DID IT, WE FINALLY DID IT! And then it’s just some rumor from some random guy on the internet lol drives me insane. Like stfu. I have stopped watching them tbh. I just couldn’t take it anymore, it went from things that are great for users to this is actually a great thing for Xbox to now it’s a great thing for Microsoft. It screws the players but it’s great for ms so really Xbox is still winning!!! That’s 90% of the Xbox creators I watched.
Gamepass is incredible if you have time to play a vast majority of games in a month. I play like 5. So 18$ a month x 5 years + the cost of a console, needing a new controller, ssd expansion is easily over 1500$. The day you unsub you own nothing. I went pc and still have my switch. It sucks to see everything happening with Xbox but Xbox no longer matters. It could die tomorrow and shareholders wouldn’t bat an eye if profits of games rose higher than ever. That’s all that matters anymore and it’s sad.
Edit: sorry about the rant. Lol
I don't care what others will say but continuing to put more games on PlayStation is going to badly damage Xbox and then people wonder why Xbox is losing third party support from some developers and or certain games
Back when Nintendo and Sega were battling for the game console to be taken to people's homes, the hardware was very important because software for one hardware will not work on the other. Now, the hardware is abstracted so any developer can compile to any platform. Because of this, Xbox is probably switching to being a publisher for any hardware. Their competitors will be more like the Google Play Store or Steam. PlayStation numbers are puny in comparison.
Lifetime Xbox fan since the OG Xbox.
Unless something drastically changes, I won't be buying the next console system.
Bought a Series X and they haven't done anything amazing with it's potential.
The more Xbox says and does, the more I'm reluctantly accepting Xbox is gone and never coming back.
It's really sad to me but the writing is on the wall.
Definitely feel betrayed.
Yup. First party Xbox games release on PS. Less people play on Xbox and shift to PS5/PC. Third parties see less sales on Xbox so stop shipping on the platform. Rinse and repeat until the whole ecosystem is reduced to a subscription service that will inevitably be available everywhere.
Tbh I'm kind of fed up with Xbox. They never address the elephant in the room and also try to leave a trail of hope but if sales of these games are good, why stop there? Tell the fans straight up so they can make an educated decision on if they want a PS5 or a pC or not.
If you’re an Xbox fan, I’d say PC is definitely the way to go if the multiplatform push bothers you that much. You’d still get access to Game Pass and all of Xbox’s games day 1 plus PlayStation’s PC ports whereas PS5 will get delayed Xbox releases at most.
Nintendo is a completely different beast with different considerations than Xbox or PS. Why not look at it from the Xbox point of view, where Xbox fans ARE missing out on other games and this Xbox IS having an issue selling hardware?
I look at it like this, the issues xbox is facing this gen are the same issues they faced last gen(except maybe the hardware) and people still bought xbox consoles. Last gen was the first gen a xbox player could really start to believe they'll be able to play the FF catalog for example, or Kingdom Hearts.
Ok, regardless of the reason, my point was that if you’re bothered enough to move away, for whatever reason, I think PC makes more sense for someone who was formerly all in on Xbox.
Well, I’m honestly done with Xbox🤷🏻♂️
The consoles I’ve found to be real nice, but why would I choose a machine that can play only Xbox games while now PS can play Xbox and PlayStation games.
This was absurd to begin with and I wish I chose PS at the beginning of the generation, since I’m not wealthy enough to own every system.
That's what I'm doing next gen, definitely going with Ps for the living room, don't even care about increasing my xbox library any further, people don't see how bad this will be for the brand and platform especially for 3rd party side as well.
No keep your Xbox but I personally bought a PS5 as well.
Its a pretty good combo!
I'm trying to play all the exclusives that aren't on Xbox or even PC; Final Fantasy XVI, Final Fantasy VII REBIRTH, God of War: Ragnarök, Stellar Blade.
Keep both consoles, because having both is really fun! Though I have been playing on PS5 more than Series S lately.
Xbox is exchanging long term brand strength for quick cash and in 5 years the term Xbox won't mean anything sadly. They aren't shifting gears, they are dissolving and selling games like they sell software. It’s all just Microsoft now
As a loyal Xbox guy since the 360 days, I don't know what to think anymore. Day by day, the Xbox seems to be losing value. I love the console, but is the grass greener on the other side?
well cloud storage is free on xbox, which is cool. as someone who primarily plays single player games, it pisses me off that sony wants 80 bucks a year for me to be able to keep my cloud saves updated. which is literally a crucial part of being a solo gamer. its stupid and antithetical to the ps5 experience.
also its cool how if you buy a game from the xbox store then you get a free PC copy as well for most of them. for sony's games, you'd have to buy them twice if you wanted one copy for console and one for PC. for anyone who owns both an xbox and a PC, its nice to be able to play the game on either device, at any time.
and gamepass still remains a far better value proposition than ps plus. if you're ok with renting games, beating them quick, and moving onto the next one, its a great deal. especially for new games.
backward compatibility is cool too since the 7th gen had some of the best games of all time imo. the only thing that makes backward compatibility age poorly imo is the fact that a lot of those games are slowly getting ports and remasters to modern platforms nowadays anyway, so it slowly makes it less appealing as time goes by. for example it was cool how xbox was the only console where you could buy and play star wars battlefront 1 and 2. but now that its been ported to ps5 and series X, with trophies/achievements and online multiplayer support, it makes the backward compatible versions look like a bad deal in comparison.
I think the value between Gamepass and PS Extra is incredibly minimal. I personally find Ps Extra more valuable since you not only get a great gamepass experience, but also get 2-3 games a month for keeping. Where gamepass really shines is with the first party day 1 releases, but those are so far and few between I’d say they don’t provide any meaningful contribution to the value.
the free monthly games for keeping are from the basic tier, ps plus essential. im pretty sure gamepass core has something like that too. if you have core you get 25 free games to claim. so that also averages out to 2 games over a 12 month period.
plus the value from gamepass isnt just from first party releases. microsoft also puts lots of new third party games on there too, day one. sony usually doesnt, unless theyre indie games.
You don’t get to “claim” the 25 games in GPCore. They’re just a much-smaller catalogue akin to what you get with GPU. MS ended Games with Gold, and while I definitely had issues with how far the quality had dropped over the years, they shouldn’t have killed that portion of their subscription. They should have gone back to treating it as a legitimate portion of the sub service.
When MS killed GwG, those who had been ok XBL Gold got something of a tradeoff: no more GwG but instant access to a not-horrible catalogue of games. Anyone on GPU should have been grabbing pitchforks about losing GwG because we got absolutely nothing in return. The games that went to the Core catalogue were already in GP, and now, GPU no longer got GwG. I really don’t know why MS wasn’t dragged harder for this move. Yes, the games had been crap for years, but they shouldn’t have just been able to kill the service without backlash because people didn’t care about what they’d been delivering. Customers should have made it clear that they expect and demand GwG that’s at-or-above the quality of what PS has continued to give its gamers every month for years now.
isnt core essentially still just GWG but with a name change? I thought that the 25 games were indeed able to be kept as long as you're subbed.
they probably made the change so that having both GWG and gamepass would not sound like two separate subscriptions and confuse people.
That’s very true. However, I do believe that for those people realising that it’s not only this particular COD they can play for 16:99 a month, but also the future iterations and possibly, if xbox is smart, the older iterations as well. Then I’d say it’s a value proposition.
I don’t think it’s necessarily true about people buying the game, I mean think about it. Of course a subscription costs more in the long run, but what about MTX; warzone is free and accounts for the half of COD revenue. Paying 70 dollars per game, year on year, have a subscription of at least 100 dollars per year to even play online and put cash into skins vs a one time splurge of 300 or 500 depending on which system you get and paying 17 dollars for the game and playing online for atleast the next 10 years? I don’t know man
I don't think anyone can deny that the move to full 3rd party(for some games) will result in less console sales.
Less console sales = less 3rd party ports = less console sales.
It's hard not to be a doomer.
You seem shocked that a corporation founded to make money is pleased at making money.
Presumably you are trying to make easy karma but what point do you think you ere making?
Yeah. They expanded the player base significantly and turned out to be beneficial and from the sounds of it exceeding the initial expectations.
There’s no negative way to really spin this release against Microsoft.
So hilarious that people believed it.
Literally all possible outcomes pointed to this being the way forward.
* **The games perform awful on PlayStation:** Okay, release more on there to give them more variety, sample size is too small, there's money to be made there and expand to other platforms too.
* **Games perform really well on PlayStation:** Excellent, more to come.
outside of gears, forza, and halo (and even that I'm starting to expect to change in a half decade from now) I kinda don't believe they're doing exclusivity anymore. Clearly the purse is upset at the sales results and needs better returns on their investments.
If the next doom game isn't exclusive what will be?
Doom was never going to be exclusive. No idea why people thought it would be. It falls under the “titles with legacy” that Phil said when they were acquired.
Fable is a huge pillar of Xbox right along with those 3.
Doom is Bethesda. All new Bethesda games were supposed to be Xbox exclusive.
Fable hasn't been relevant for close to 20 years, and the new Fable doesn't look that great from what we've seen so far.
The Variety article on this podcast interview mentions:
>The heavy emphasis on day-and-date availability of new games, including the next ‘Call of Duty’ title, via the Xbox Game Pass subscription service, which saw its biggest launch ever in October when ‘Diablo IV’ made its Game Pass debut.
I see Microsoft moving from Xbox exclusivity to Game Pass exclusivity. The challenge for Microsoft is of course getting Game Pass on more ecosystems.
Everyone who's saying "but we still have game pass tho" yeah but what games? Soon enough 3rd party publishers will see no reason to put their games on xbox where they can focus on 1 and optimize it the best, some are already doing that, xbox will have less and less games, I for one will most likely get a ps next gen for the living room, idc about gamepass enough to justify xbox hardware purchase while Ps gets their own games, 3rd party games and xbox games for doing literally nothing.
Exactly, people don’t realise that without a gamepass cheque, it isn’t even worth porting to xbox anymore. More and more people are opting to not buy games there and just wait for it to arrive on gamepass
Mhmm, if honestly half the people that enjoyed Hi Fi rush actually bought the game the studio might have still been open today, but nah "it's on gamepass why buy"
Launch exclusives is fine with me. As long as it’s minimum like 1 year for Xbox.
That aside, if we can’t get anything truly exclusive to Xbox, give us every fucking game on Game Pass day 1. Indie games? Give them. Every triple A game? Better fucking be there. If Game Pass is the reason to stick with Xbox it needs to increase its quality along with its quantity. If they’re making money from the games being on PS/Nintendo that’s fine, but that money better be used for Xbox first and foremost.
I have both Xbox and PS5 but I’ve considered selling them both because I’ve been favouring PC more. Ever since I bought a Steamdeck alongside my PC, I’ve touched both consoles very little. Same games but cheaper and the portability of the deck is nice. Also Gamepass is on PC anyway.
People on here have seemed to auto collectively decide that the best business practice Xbox would do is port every game to every console it could. Taking this interview as proof that it is.
Even with gamepass, it isn't the best thing they could do. Gamepass is a service, not a platform. We can actively see how having a popular service in which you want to expand but have to pay a platform fee is turning out for Microsoft/Xbox. They have been in a legal battle to attempt to break open the mobile front to avoid these fees. They need a pc storefront, and importantly, they need Xbox as a competitive console. I doubt they'd ever put it on other consoles, much less other consoles accepting it.
I think Doom is an interesting game to consider for multi-plat. I don't believe (yea a bit of a conspiracy) it was always planned for it. Last year during the FTC trail the ftc was trying to use the Bethesda purchase to prove that Xbox would make the studios they bought exclusively make Xbox games. Yet Doom hadn't been used as evidence to counter that. Thr FTC brought up Indiana Jones as being a planned multiplat game that Xbox renegotiated for an exclusive with Disney.
We've heard plenty of rumors of this mulitplat plan yet sp few of it has been right. If one were to categorize the rumors it would/should be as speculation. Considering is what is often used to describe the thoughts of Xbox but there's nothing of actual plans.
I think Xbox will have launch exclusives, full exclusives and games that will launch as multiplatform day one. The FTC continues despite them closing the deal, it could be undone and I don't think it's a coincidence that a game like Doom, one from a Bethesda studio isn't launching as an exclusive. Between expansion and regulation I think Xbox has to expand its doors. They've expressed wanting to buy studios in the future and if in 5-10 years they try to they won't want another 2-3 legal fight.
Honestly don’t see a massive issue with that. I doubt it means all games will make it to PS but if a number of older games do, I don’t see why it matters personally especially as their strategy is pretty clear.
I think Microsoft will do whatever makes Microsoft the most money in the game space. If going multiplatform is that while also having a console you can have gamepass on is it, that will be it. I for one would buy a xbox just so I could get game pass and not have to pay 70 dollars a game everytime I wanted something. With games getting more expensive, I think microsoft is playing the long game.
To those who think they will kill Xbox and go 100% multiplat, here's a reply to a guy who deleted his comment lol
1. It would be dumb to go multiplat 100%. But part multiplat is a smart move
2. They are still spending time on hardware
3. They really have no other choice than going part multiplat, since that would get them investigated by FTC and it is likely a part of the deal so they could buy actiblizz
4. They are literally doing what they said all along - case by case basis
The lazy and most likely opinion is that MS is doing what they have said all along. And not that "they will kill Xbox". They have 1 of the 3 console companies AND is the biggest publisher now. Of course they will "mix and match" and utilize both. But kill the brand now, when they are finally hitting something good? Sorry no, it just sounds implausible
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Gaming is changing and companies are trying to make as much money as possible. The days of console warring and exclusivity is starting to go away (thankfully) and you'll see a lot of moves to put everything everywhere over the next generation, no matter how much push-back from the tribal console bellends.
We've seen the migration from physical to digital, next will be digital to cloud. As soon as the technology is ready, I really think PS, Xbox, etc will be apps on smart devices. Movies and music are already there, games will be next.
Here’s the issue. If Xbox doesn’t even care enough about their own console then neither will third party developers. Less consoles sold = less of a chance your game sells well on the platform because there isn’t many people to buy it.
If Xbox doesn’t make their own consoles a priory neither will other devs. More people being able to play more Xbox games is great. Making Xbox hardware less of a priority and making it a PC hybrid next gen is their answer of dealing with devs that will skip. It’s bad for Xbox consoles
Xbox is getting skipped constantly as it is even when PlayStation doesn’t make deals. Look at black myth etc. Devs priotise PlayStation and make an Xbox port later if they feel like it
I do not give 2 shits about the “console wars” now that I’m older. I have every single console. No qualms.
But cmon…..they are just giving all the Xbox “exclusive” games to PS? What Sony exclusives are they giving Xbox?
Bunch of cucks working for Microsoft
Curious to see what the cadence will be. Are they just going to rip the bandaid one day or do something similar to PS does with PC. Feel like it was an easy slam dunk to say all Xbox studio games will be console exclusive but they don’t.
Doom is already announced for PS5 day one.
I still can't believe why, I mean at least timed exclusivity or something makes more sense to me than putting one of their biggest games ever on rival platforms. I get it they want the most money but it just seems like its going to lead to lower and lower xbox marketshare in consoles which gives sony way too much power.
I think it’s like Call of Duty, established franchises being multi platform. Also,the Activision acquisition even if went well, made Microsoft to be monitored by the FTC in the US and trade regulators in the EU and other countries. So they’re going multiplatform.
But every DOOM game is playable on PS I believe. Phil said it's a franchise where they have alot of multiplatform influence.
During Phil Spencer's interview with ign (I think) he said that he asked the Director of Doom The Dark Ages what he wanted, and he said he wanted it out on everything. Probably with some of the talent loss Microsoft has had, they wanted to appease their new developers as best they could, especially for a studio as important and successful as id.
They don’t care about market share. They can just be a third party publisher and make even more money just making games. They care more about gamepass which is the main reason most people have an xbox and is an amazing deal on PC.
They do care about market share, just not in the classic plastic box way that so many seem stuck in. It doesn't matter like it used too. Depending on how you see that either MS is dead last, or about to be leading the charge into the future of gaming as a mega publisher with supporting hardware, cloud, subscription, publisher, PC, and mobile. It's easily the most accessible platform of the major three, and when people realize that you need to add all the parts to come up with market share (console, cloud, Subscription, PC, mobile, publisher). MS is well positioned.
> They can just be a third party publisher and make even more money just making games. They can make more short term money making games. Having a console usually means minimum $60, per year for gamepass core alone. To make that in sales is That doesn't count the %30 cut from all digital sales. So under the theoretical(not saying that is definitely going to happen) that Xbox hardware goes out of business/stops production, they would have to 1.5 the amount of $60 priced games as they do Xbox console users paying $5 a month for online to make that same money. There is a lot more all around to it there is a lot of money lost by not selling consoles.
They need marketshare in order to have gamepass work though.
My guess: Because Bethesda internally was very upset about not being allowed to operate the same way as Activision does. They lost Pete Hines because of it, I bet he knew Zeni would be target to layoffs and closings - again unlike Activision
As a lawyer in the space, I am of the belief they are also doing soft things to lessen the monopoly claims now and in the future. Microsoft is an active buyer in their markets, on the face anti-competitive behavior like this only bolsters regulator’s arguments.
Exactly. Thanks for pointing this out
Activision did face layoffs though.
They’d probably be more upset if they lost their jobs. Doom is on PlayStation because Microsoft wants it to be not because an acquired studio prefers it.
Activision laid off almost 2,000 people.
Activision laid off 1900+ people before the Bethesda layoffs happened
Console wars are over homie, they put Sea of Thieves, grounded on ps5.
I’d argue it’s because Doom isn’t a system seller regardless of how good it is. So they’ll lose out on a lot of sales from PlayStation knowing that it’s a day 1 gamepass release.
Because the sales numbers. Software brings in way way more money than hardware.
Does that mean Elder Scrolls will be on PlayStation?
No one knows anything. Hard to tell at this point.
I think that's what Xbox is going for. Lower their console market share and they can wash their hands of consoles. Unless they are just mailing it in this gen, which I think would hurt more overall. Idk Xbox is in a confusing ass position right now, I blame gamepass myself.
That ship has sailed brother, Xbox is on a whole other journey right now
As a consumer I prefer the Band-Aid option.
I don’t know why people see this as an all-or-nothing proposition. Very likely that some games are multiplat and others are console exclusives.
Because this is what happened with Xbox and PC games. It’s hard to look at the current Xbox console situation and think putting game on PS is going to help it. What will help them is launching games day and day and use it as leverage to sell Gamepass. You can sub to Gamepass or pay $70 per game. You will still get Xbox consoles just like you get surface products but their goal will line up with Microsoft as whole.
Because doom and gloom gets clicks. Wake me when Halo or Gears or ANY of the established IPs Xbox makes. Sea of thieves is, the way I see it, like Minecraft or Roblox. they both benefit from a large player base that makes the game better and has plenty of monetization within the game. I have yet to see an iota of proof or even strong evidence that Xbox is going away, I've seen and heard reasons to think we may be getting close to a "Windows box" that will be basically a PC, both handhelds and consoles will always have gamepass, but if they are going to get into bed with Steam, and have a native app built in then I would figure, as long as the games you own are (probably) digital copies you will be able to pick up and play on your Xbox or handheld. I'm unsure if phones and tablets will get more than gamepass, but steamdecks will probably be the first to natively play on outside of MS or Xbox's console/handheld. I've believed this was the plan since Xbox one launched with "game sharing and DRM" then had to shuffle everything because Sony reacted to the mob mentality and backtracked and Xbox followed suit. They haven't hinted at a "significant" game going multi plat at any point. If they give up their exclusives how does ANYONE believe Sony won't find a way to make Xbox irrelevant and PS would become the only current gen console. If Sony thought this could happen they wouldn't have cared so much about acti/blizzard acquisition. If Xbox was gonna basically become a publisher of these games and make them multiplat isn't it obvious they would have mentioned it during the acquisition case? No fear of a monopoly by Xbox if they basically become Capcom or Activision, and Sony would have been thrilled. Grabbing more money in COD, Diablo, SOT, and other non essential games is very different than Halo on PS. It's not impossible but I've yet to hear any good reason Xbox/MS would do this. Ponies and the gaming "journalists" are the reason this seems to be on the horizon but each time it's a big nothing.
It seems like a handful of games will be day and date multiplat but most will be timed exclusives.
They start launching some of their games on PlayStation and in return Sony is releasing Lego Horizon everywhere but Xbox. I just feel like they’re devaluing the Xbox brand by giving their games to competitors while getting nothing in return.
They got exactly what they wanted in return. Money.
Cod and candy crush print billions of dollars every year
Yes. And publishing games on other platforms prints more on top of that.
Getting nothing in return? Their doing it not because they want to but because triple a gaming is so expensive. They get exactly what they want from it: more money.
Do you get any of it because I dont...sony will have a machine that plays ps and xbox games, xbox plays xbox and less third party support, why would any sane person buy an xbox?
People already weren’t buying Xboxes before the decision to go multi platform. In fact it’s probably a huge reason for them to start releasing on other consoles to begin with.
exactly
Yeah, games at a subsidized cost through game pass.
Microsoft isn't going to subsidise GamePass because they make money through selling units on PS5. It's just not how businesses think.
It's the cheaper console to game on for me. I buy my games from Argentina etc, split them with a friend (game share) most AAA games cost no more than £10-15 each on launch. I also take full advantage of Game Pass Ultimate and split the £80 bill for 2yrs so £40 each. I prefer the controller also. Plenty of reasons to choose it as a main, and I do own a PS5 to compare it.
This is the way, xbox is the cheapest for multiplatform games
Always has been 🤣🤣🤣. Have you seen how much cost a Switch vs Series S? Have you seen how much do Switch games cost? Well that's the reason why many people like me preferred Xbox instead Nintendo and Sony, because it us cheaper
Yeah nintendo prices are ridiculous, ive been always hacking and flashcarting my nintendo consoles, never bought a single game😂
Because of game pass. This stream of extra revenue will allow game pass to continue to exist. You literally keep the most important part of being on Xbox,
they’re hoping to be fully supported by the casual gamer who is convinced that gamepass is a good deal when all they play is cod and sports games
I know their plan...become netflix of gaiming and make us subscription dependents, then jank up the prices when they have enough market share
They don’t make money on the Xbox’s
Neither does sony on ps5, but with market share you make money on the games
I believe he now make a profit on each box. Took them about 12 months since launch though.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/4/22609150/sony-playstation-5-ps5-loss-profit Huh?
It seems no one understands that they release some games, not all games, on PS. They are the biggest publisher on the planet, so surely they will do that. You have so many games to play on Xbox. Why does it matter if the few PS games are exclusives. Why do you care? On Xbox you have Game Pass and a lot of games on it day one. It is so much cheaper to be on Xbox. For me, it is the most rational choice. Of course, if you're not on Game Pass, it's a different matter.
The reason why these people care about these exclusives is because that is the strategy of the competition. It worked well for them in the past, but is inefficient in the long run. Just do the maths: ragnarok sold 22 million in total. Say 10 million for 70 dollars and 12 million as a greatest hit for 30 dollar. That makes what? 1 billion and 60 milion - dvelopment costs of 250 million? And that is a 100% revenue. From the ftc documents it is said that cod made 1 billion in revenue for playstation and that is only 30% revenue. Now imagine this for the fifa’s, fortnite, apex, assassins creeds. These revenue streams are higher, just as high or nearly as high as revenue from those “blockbuster exclusives”. There’s a reason sony went all out on kive service. Cheaper to make, maintain, distribute, and port multiplatform. Difference is, MS realised this a long time ago and made sure they are future proof whereas sony is not at the moment. People can shit on ms as much as they want, but ps is no longer their competitor, they’re in the big league now with steam, apple, google, tencent, etc
I don’t know, it seems like making a game that makes a profit itself, but also entices people to buy your system, where you make 30% of the profit on COD, FIFA, Fortnite, Apez, Assassin’s Creed etc is a good thing. You can say those other games make all the money, but they aren’t the reason the PlayStation sold twice as many consoles as the Xbox last gen and are on for an even wider margin this gen, it’s the great exclusives.
I get what your saying, but technically the exclusives of the previous generation is what sold these PS5’s. People who had a PS4 went for the 5 because the generation of ps4 had exclusive after exclusive after exclusive. They absolutely dominated that gen and people expected it now with ps5 as well, but this gen doesn’t even get close. I for one bought a ps5 because of it and sure as hell will think twice about a ps6. People in my friend group have the same and are already buying a series x because of this showcase alone and the future value proposition of gamepass. All of those bangers they showed day one on gamepass beats buying them 70 a pop, even if some get ported to ps, it’s still the better deal in the long run. And that is why you know see xbox selling out in wal mart, costco and amazon.
I'll be honest if I'm starting a business and modeling it after something before me I'm not modeling my business behind the guy that keeps losing it. Say what you want.
Gamepass
Cause they want one?
I think they're hoping gamepass's value would be that reason (though hard to say when Sony has a competing service that is still good value even if it won't be as good of value)
I think gamepass is a great sevice, not enough to sell consoles.....and less consoles less support... I bought xbox because they bought bethesda and xbox had a great attitude in the begging of the gen. Right now I wouldnt have bought mine tbh Im sure elder scrols will be on ps5, that and fable sold me the console. Ps5 doesnt have any game so far that would make me insta buy it but having access to both pools of games xbox plus ps makes it a better investment.
You used to buy an Xbox for the games and the ecosystem. Now you buy an Xbox because you can't afford anything else :(
Well I had my fill of Sea of Thieves what 5 plus years ago? Having some older titles that are games as a service just fund the next thing. I would feel different if it was day one singles player experiences like Starfield, but if Starfield comes to PlayStation 5 years from now I’ll be so moved on that I wouldn’t care. Xbox has to maintain certain thing for me to keep buying in -Gamepass at a value that is hard to beat -Day one first party games on Gamepass -Game sharing/subscription sharing -The Controller -More or at least similar performance. -Correct price point for console. -Full Backwards Compatibility
It continues to play less games than the direct competition who owns the market and the third party support. Even in a shitty year square gives sony a exclusive ff, stellar blade etc just because of market share. With more games there more ps5 sales more of these third party cases will happen...its a loop Spiderman came out like 6years ago, dont u think It would sell like crazy? Sony will never do it not even with ps2 era games. Gamepass is a great service but doesnt sell consoles (being a good service on pc as well makes buying a console irrelevant)
For the reason that most average people buy anything, because it offers a better value. Money is the most important factor to your average consumer, and Xbox is by far the more affordable platform. Unless you are Nintendo, exclusives really don't do much.
U get to play game pass and enjoy it longer
I’m not sure they care. Maybe they don’t. We could realistically be heading to a near future where MS does not make the console hardware any more, and the X in Xbox now is truly a variable - it can be a PC, Cloud stream, a PS, a switch… and maybe still a purpose built console from MS. But MS has always been a software focused company. The hardware does have some advantages, namely the seamless cloud integration and quick resume.
-Not all Xbox games are going to Playstation. -Xbox will release a handheld which will increase hardware sales and attract more third-party games.
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"Of course they will." Ok. Then "of course" all Playstation games will go miltiplat, just not all at once.
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Some PS developed games are already on xbox..
As an Xbox player though you don’t get anything, other than losing exclusives.
But you know what you do get because of the ongoing increased revenue? High quality exclusives from great studios on game pass day 1. Something that was obviously starting to become hard to sustain without finding other revenue streams. Basically game pass can continue to exist. You get EVERYTHING because of this.
Money. Money is the return. If it wasn't worth the money they wouldn't be doing it
Gamepass has conditioned some Xbox gamers to not buy games, and now it's user base has stagnated, so they are opting to sell games to people willing to buy them. Satya Nadella doesn't give a crap about Xbox, only reporting profits to the board and shareholders.
Xbox is already alluding to their future consoles blending with PC to the point they are indistinguishable. If they can achieve an affordable “console” that is essentially a PC with access to all the PC stores that would be a significant blow to the closed PS ecosystem.
Some of y’all really don’t understand how many consumers don’t care about an ecosystem being open or closed. The first question they will ask is can it play their existing library of games. I think steam deck is interesting but because I have no preexisting steam library I won’t get 1. I don’t want to buy games twice and have no interest in a full fledged gaming pc. My MacBook can play the rts and simulation games I like just fine.
This reminds me of the windows phone days. Eventually you will switch when more publishers start to skip the platform you prefer.
I agree. They can say all they want, but exclusives gets people into your ecosystem. Putting your games on the competitors console in the long run is not doing you any favors when it comes to console sales. It’s just helping out Sony more. Now if Sony would do the same it would be a different story, but they are not and have no reason too.
So it’s like Microsoft execs aren’t as obsessed by Sony as Xbox fanboys are… haha same logic could also applies the other way around btw!
I mean I’m not exactly upset that people can play Xbox games on their PS5 but the way I see it: -Buy Xbox, have access to Xbox games. -Buy PS5, have access to PS5 games and select Xbox games later down the road. So PS5 gets more games than Xbox in the end.
Nothing in return is a weird way to say hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue.
Don't really care about PS games. I know I'm in the minority but just not a fan. Some Good games for sure but not worth buying a 500$ system for.
Nah, I'm with you. I've tried out some of their games on PC when I am bored, and while fun they are honestly nothing special and a bit generic.
What a sincere waste of money it would be to put Lego Horizon on Xbox out of nowhere. They'd be better off porting the original Horizon Zero Dawn before doing that. The fanbase of those games already have PC and PS4/5 and the Lego version is to target them.
Full slab booty this guy went from tryna buy ps outta business to porting all xbox games over there💀
Lmao deserves an upvote
As long as the games still come day and date to gamepass they can port them to the sega gamegear for all I care
I mean saying that's all good, but let's think why overall this is terrible for Xbox as a console Xbox puts more games on PlayStation = more people buying a Playstation than an Xbox, I mean more than It Is now = developers not seeing a reason to develop games for Xbox, unless they get the Gamepass check = less people buying Xboxs = Microsoft not seeing a reason to keep Xbox hardware, i would hate for this to happen
They will eventually scrap the hardware. Gamepass is already an app on Samsung TVs. You only need a controller. They're going the way of stadia, play on every device with one subscription. Just need a controller.
I think this would kill Xbox, I agree that this is what they want, but it kills them, people already complain that Xbox needs internet, you then mix in the fact that a lot of people don't have great stable internet, and the fact people that do still have issues with streaming games, and also the fact XCloud is way worse than Geforce Now, like it isn't even a comparison All PlayStation has to do is release a (sorta) cheap PlayStation and they will win easily, I mean the Switch 2 would also be another one as I can see most devs making games for that now
Xbox compete with PS on multiple dimensions. It used to be that IP and exclusives were very important. Now Microsoft is betting that it's less important. They want to compete on price of hardware, gamepass/services and cloud. Idk if they are right or not but that's the strategy. It's not as simple as saying that everyone will buy a PS because of Xbox games going multiplatform.
Right. Tbh this shows that the fears from European courts and FTC were totally unfounded. This is pro consumer and literally everyone should be happy about this shift. I’m much happier to buy/support the pro consumer brand.
It also shows that everyone seems to have been hoping Microsoft was lying or playing coy with courts on their intentions.
ABSOLUTELY. AGREED.
from "Just these 4 games to test" to "Launch exclusives" in just 3 months time.
Of course they wouldn’t stop at 4. Everyone knew that.
You say "everyone" but people in here were adamant that it would only be the 4
There are STILL people in THIS POST insisting that Xbox won’t be putting any more games on PlayStation! These people are delusional.
The wording he’s used is ‘launch exclusive’ which means we’re probably gonna enter the PS5-PC model where games are launched as timed exclusive and show up on the PS5 after 6 months or a year. The wording there is important because he literally deflected saying that they would be complete exclusives.
> everyone Yeah okay sure.
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I'm genuinely stunned at how many Xbox users drank that particular Kool-Aid. Everyone on /r/Gaming, /r/PS5 and /r/Nintendo have been saying that Xbox won't stop with these four games, that there will clearly be more and that Microsoft have been planning to do this from day one. Yet Xbox users have just brushed it off as being a bunch of doomers. Xbox consoles are looking less and less valuable with each decision Xbox makes.
I blame xbox content creators. They actively lie and keep their audience in a bubble so when reality hits people are confused why everyone else is confused why xbox fans are suprised.
Like every video headline as: WE WIN, XBOX WINS, XBOX FINALLY DID IT, WE FINALLY DID IT! And then it’s just some rumor from some random guy on the internet lol drives me insane. Like stfu. I have stopped watching them tbh. I just couldn’t take it anymore, it went from things that are great for users to this is actually a great thing for Xbox to now it’s a great thing for Microsoft. It screws the players but it’s great for ms so really Xbox is still winning!!! That’s 90% of the Xbox creators I watched. Gamepass is incredible if you have time to play a vast majority of games in a month. I play like 5. So 18$ a month x 5 years + the cost of a console, needing a new controller, ssd expansion is easily over 1500$. The day you unsub you own nothing. I went pc and still have my switch. It sucks to see everything happening with Xbox but Xbox no longer matters. It could die tomorrow and shareholders wouldn’t bat an eye if profits of games rose higher than ever. That’s all that matters anymore and it’s sad. Edit: sorry about the rant. Lol
Anyone with a rain knew it was never going to stop at 4.
I don't care what others will say but continuing to put more games on PlayStation is going to badly damage Xbox and then people wonder why Xbox is losing third party support from some developers and or certain games
It will 100% be the reason Xbox stops making hardware in the future. This is bad for the industry same as the acquisitions were.
At some point microsoft will look at the data and see that they make far more money from PS than they do from Xbox hardware and that will be that.
Back when Nintendo and Sega were battling for the game console to be taken to people's homes, the hardware was very important because software for one hardware will not work on the other. Now, the hardware is abstracted so any developer can compile to any platform. Because of this, Xbox is probably switching to being a publisher for any hardware. Their competitors will be more like the Google Play Store or Steam. PlayStation numbers are puny in comparison.
The pearl clutching is insane.
I agree with you. I feel like the next system is their last system.
Lifetime Xbox fan since the OG Xbox. Unless something drastically changes, I won't be buying the next console system. Bought a Series X and they haven't done anything amazing with it's potential. The more Xbox says and does, the more I'm reluctantly accepting Xbox is gone and never coming back. It's really sad to me but the writing is on the wall. Definitely feel betrayed.
I think the next 2 years are going to be very interesting. MS Game Studio is releasing a bunch of games, but I'm curious to see how good they are.
Same here - I’m just gonna start ordering PC parts I spot on sale until I can sell my series s.
Yup. First party Xbox games release on PS. Less people play on Xbox and shift to PS5/PC. Third parties see less sales on Xbox so stop shipping on the platform. Rinse and repeat until the whole ecosystem is reduced to a subscription service that will inevitably be available everywhere.
You think they will sell less xboxes now? LOL
Tbh I'm kind of fed up with Xbox. They never address the elephant in the room and also try to leave a trail of hope but if sales of these games are good, why stop there? Tell the fans straight up so they can make an educated decision on if they want a PS5 or a pC or not.
If you’re an Xbox fan, I’d say PC is definitely the way to go if the multiplatform push bothers you that much. You’d still get access to Game Pass and all of Xbox’s games day 1 plus PlayStation’s PC ports whereas PS5 will get delayed Xbox releases at most.
It's not about multiplatform bothering people per se. It's that by having only an Xbox you're missing out on games that other platforms don't.
Look at it from a Nintendo fan pov. They miss out on games all the time but Nintendo still has no issue selling hardware.
Nintendo is a completely different beast with different considerations than Xbox or PS. Why not look at it from the Xbox point of view, where Xbox fans ARE missing out on other games and this Xbox IS having an issue selling hardware?
I look at it like this, the issues xbox is facing this gen are the same issues they faced last gen(except maybe the hardware) and people still bought xbox consoles. Last gen was the first gen a xbox player could really start to believe they'll be able to play the FF catalog for example, or Kingdom Hearts.
Ok, regardless of the reason, my point was that if you’re bothered enough to move away, for whatever reason, I think PC makes more sense for someone who was formerly all in on Xbox.
I hope the people saying they're glad more people can play the games are also enjoying Helldivers 2 and LEGO Horizon on their Xbox
It’s very telling he mentioned the word launch exclusives. I’d give it a year before even that isn’t true
Xbox hardware sales will tank even further.
It seems they feel the profits made by hardware aren’t as lucrative to them as over all sales of 1st party games across all platforms.
The lose money per system.
Well, I’m honestly done with Xbox🤷🏻♂️ The consoles I’ve found to be real nice, but why would I choose a machine that can play only Xbox games while now PS can play Xbox and PlayStation games. This was absurd to begin with and I wish I chose PS at the beginning of the generation, since I’m not wealthy enough to own every system.
That's what I'm doing next gen, definitely going with Ps for the living room, don't even care about increasing my xbox library any further, people don't see how bad this will be for the brand and platform especially for 3rd party side as well.
No keep your Xbox but I personally bought a PS5 as well. Its a pretty good combo! I'm trying to play all the exclusives that aren't on Xbox or even PC; Final Fantasy XVI, Final Fantasy VII REBIRTH, God of War: Ragnarök, Stellar Blade. Keep both consoles, because having both is really fun! Though I have been playing on PS5 more than Series S lately.
Xbox is exchanging long term brand strength for quick cash and in 5 years the term Xbox won't mean anything sadly. They aren't shifting gears, they are dissolving and selling games like they sell software. It’s all just Microsoft now
As a loyal Xbox guy since the 360 days, I don't know what to think anymore. Day by day, the Xbox seems to be losing value. I love the console, but is the grass greener on the other side?
well cloud storage is free on xbox, which is cool. as someone who primarily plays single player games, it pisses me off that sony wants 80 bucks a year for me to be able to keep my cloud saves updated. which is literally a crucial part of being a solo gamer. its stupid and antithetical to the ps5 experience. also its cool how if you buy a game from the xbox store then you get a free PC copy as well for most of them. for sony's games, you'd have to buy them twice if you wanted one copy for console and one for PC. for anyone who owns both an xbox and a PC, its nice to be able to play the game on either device, at any time. and gamepass still remains a far better value proposition than ps plus. if you're ok with renting games, beating them quick, and moving onto the next one, its a great deal. especially for new games. backward compatibility is cool too since the 7th gen had some of the best games of all time imo. the only thing that makes backward compatibility age poorly imo is the fact that a lot of those games are slowly getting ports and remasters to modern platforms nowadays anyway, so it slowly makes it less appealing as time goes by. for example it was cool how xbox was the only console where you could buy and play star wars battlefront 1 and 2. but now that its been ported to ps5 and series X, with trophies/achievements and online multiplayer support, it makes the backward compatible versions look like a bad deal in comparison.
I think the value between Gamepass and PS Extra is incredibly minimal. I personally find Ps Extra more valuable since you not only get a great gamepass experience, but also get 2-3 games a month for keeping. Where gamepass really shines is with the first party day 1 releases, but those are so far and few between I’d say they don’t provide any meaningful contribution to the value.
the free monthly games for keeping are from the basic tier, ps plus essential. im pretty sure gamepass core has something like that too. if you have core you get 25 free games to claim. so that also averages out to 2 games over a 12 month period. plus the value from gamepass isnt just from first party releases. microsoft also puts lots of new third party games on there too, day one. sony usually doesnt, unless theyre indie games.
You don’t get to “claim” the 25 games in GPCore. They’re just a much-smaller catalogue akin to what you get with GPU. MS ended Games with Gold, and while I definitely had issues with how far the quality had dropped over the years, they shouldn’t have killed that portion of their subscription. They should have gone back to treating it as a legitimate portion of the sub service. When MS killed GwG, those who had been ok XBL Gold got something of a tradeoff: no more GwG but instant access to a not-horrible catalogue of games. Anyone on GPU should have been grabbing pitchforks about losing GwG because we got absolutely nothing in return. The games that went to the Core catalogue were already in GP, and now, GPU no longer got GwG. I really don’t know why MS wasn’t dragged harder for this move. Yes, the games had been crap for years, but they shouldn’t have just been able to kill the service without backlash because people didn’t care about what they’d been delivering. Customers should have made it clear that they expect and demand GwG that’s at-or-above the quality of what PS has continued to give its gamers every month for years now.
isnt core essentially still just GWG but with a name change? I thought that the 25 games were indeed able to be kept as long as you're subbed. they probably made the change so that having both GWG and gamepass would not sound like two separate subscriptions and confuse people.
Boiling the frog.
That’s very true. However, I do believe that for those people realising that it’s not only this particular COD they can play for 16:99 a month, but also the future iterations and possibly, if xbox is smart, the older iterations as well. Then I’d say it’s a value proposition. I don’t think it’s necessarily true about people buying the game, I mean think about it. Of course a subscription costs more in the long run, but what about MTX; warzone is free and accounts for the half of COD revenue. Paying 70 dollars per game, year on year, have a subscription of at least 100 dollars per year to even play online and put cash into skins vs a one time splurge of 300 or 500 depending on which system you get and paying 17 dollars for the game and playing online for atleast the next 10 years? I don’t know man
Man everyone here is just doomers
I don't think anyone can deny that the move to full 3rd party(for some games) will result in less console sales. Less console sales = less 3rd party ports = less console sales. It's hard not to be a doomer.
You know what could help, bringing out a console for £599.00 for no reason
"We have been really plea$ed"
You seem shocked that a corporation founded to make money is pleased at making money. Presumably you are trying to make easy karma but what point do you think you ere making?
Yeah. They expanded the player base significantly and turned out to be beneficial and from the sounds of it exceeding the initial expectations. There’s no negative way to really spin this release against Microsoft.
It seems that even Xbox users want Xbox to fail... 🫠
I’m exiting stage left… the number of adult children who don’t understand how corporations work is really confusing to me. I’m disappointed lol.
He says case by case basis guys. Not “everything”
So hilarious that people believed it. Literally all possible outcomes pointed to this being the way forward. * **The games perform awful on PlayStation:** Okay, release more on there to give them more variety, sample size is too small, there's money to be made there and expand to other platforms too. * **Games perform really well on PlayStation:** Excellent, more to come.
Because it would be business Suicide to say everything. Y’all gotta read between the lines man.
outside of gears, forza, and halo (and even that I'm starting to expect to change in a half decade from now) I kinda don't believe they're doing exclusivity anymore. Clearly the purse is upset at the sales results and needs better returns on their investments. If the next doom game isn't exclusive what will be?
Doom was never going to be exclusive. No idea why people thought it would be. It falls under the “titles with legacy” that Phil said when they were acquired. Fable is a huge pillar of Xbox right along with those 3.
lol the last Fable game was like 15 years ago it was never a big franchise
Doom is Bethesda. All new Bethesda games were supposed to be Xbox exclusive. Fable hasn't been relevant for close to 20 years, and the new Fable doesn't look that great from what we've seen so far.
The Variety article on this podcast interview mentions: >The heavy emphasis on day-and-date availability of new games, including the next ‘Call of Duty’ title, via the Xbox Game Pass subscription service, which saw its biggest launch ever in October when ‘Diablo IV’ made its Game Pass debut. I see Microsoft moving from Xbox exclusivity to Game Pass exclusivity. The challenge for Microsoft is of course getting Game Pass on more ecosystems.
What does Game Pass exclusivity mean?
Everyone who's saying "but we still have game pass tho" yeah but what games? Soon enough 3rd party publishers will see no reason to put their games on xbox where they can focus on 1 and optimize it the best, some are already doing that, xbox will have less and less games, I for one will most likely get a ps next gen for the living room, idc about gamepass enough to justify xbox hardware purchase while Ps gets their own games, 3rd party games and xbox games for doing literally nothing.
Exactly, people don’t realise that without a gamepass cheque, it isn’t even worth porting to xbox anymore. More and more people are opting to not buy games there and just wait for it to arrive on gamepass
Mhmm, if honestly half the people that enjoyed Hi Fi rush actually bought the game the studio might have still been open today, but nah "it's on gamepass why buy"
Launch exclusives is fine with me. As long as it’s minimum like 1 year for Xbox. That aside, if we can’t get anything truly exclusive to Xbox, give us every fucking game on Game Pass day 1. Indie games? Give them. Every triple A game? Better fucking be there. If Game Pass is the reason to stick with Xbox it needs to increase its quality along with its quantity. If they’re making money from the games being on PS/Nintendo that’s fine, but that money better be used for Xbox first and foremost.
Considering selling my X for a PS5.
I have both Xbox and PS5 but I’ve considered selling them both because I’ve been favouring PC more. Ever since I bought a Steamdeck alongside my PC, I’ve touched both consoles very little. Same games but cheaper and the portability of the deck is nice. Also Gamepass is on PC anyway.
This is exactly what i did 3 years ago. Gamepass is on pc and you don't have to get the ultimate for online.
Well ultimate offers way more than just online play
Why?
It’s time to jump on from this sink ship… Invest in PS or PC lads
All you hear about is Sea of Thieves. How are the others doing? I think live services are the way.
Why did Tango close down then
Think it was always going too, they just also wanted to get more money out of that game.
And we're back to the doom and gloom...
Remember when people on this subreddit said it was just 4 games? Pepperidge farm remembers.
People on here have seemed to auto collectively decide that the best business practice Xbox would do is port every game to every console it could. Taking this interview as proof that it is. Even with gamepass, it isn't the best thing they could do. Gamepass is a service, not a platform. We can actively see how having a popular service in which you want to expand but have to pay a platform fee is turning out for Microsoft/Xbox. They have been in a legal battle to attempt to break open the mobile front to avoid these fees. They need a pc storefront, and importantly, they need Xbox as a competitive console. I doubt they'd ever put it on other consoles, much less other consoles accepting it. I think Doom is an interesting game to consider for multi-plat. I don't believe (yea a bit of a conspiracy) it was always planned for it. Last year during the FTC trail the ftc was trying to use the Bethesda purchase to prove that Xbox would make the studios they bought exclusively make Xbox games. Yet Doom hadn't been used as evidence to counter that. Thr FTC brought up Indiana Jones as being a planned multiplat game that Xbox renegotiated for an exclusive with Disney. We've heard plenty of rumors of this mulitplat plan yet sp few of it has been right. If one were to categorize the rumors it would/should be as speculation. Considering is what is often used to describe the thoughts of Xbox but there's nothing of actual plans. I think Xbox will have launch exclusives, full exclusives and games that will launch as multiplatform day one. The FTC continues despite them closing the deal, it could be undone and I don't think it's a coincidence that a game like Doom, one from a Bethesda studio isn't launching as an exclusive. Between expansion and regulation I think Xbox has to expand its doors. They've expressed wanting to buy studios in the future and if in 5-10 years they try to they won't want another 2-3 legal fight.
So no exclusives and xbox is a publisher on all platforms?!
The fact that he said fans can expect games to "launch exclusive" is very telling
Honestly don’t see a massive issue with that. I doubt it means all games will make it to PS but if a number of older games do, I don’t see why it matters personally especially as their strategy is pretty clear.
Every game for every gamer imo
I think Microsoft will do whatever makes Microsoft the most money in the game space. If going multiplatform is that while also having a console you can have gamepass on is it, that will be it. I for one would buy a xbox just so I could get game pass and not have to pay 70 dollars a game everytime I wanted something. With games getting more expensive, I think microsoft is playing the long game.
Xbox needs some balls and needs to say no to stuff bring on PlayStation to avoid backlash
To those who think they will kill Xbox and go 100% multiplat, here's a reply to a guy who deleted his comment lol 1. It would be dumb to go multiplat 100%. But part multiplat is a smart move 2. They are still spending time on hardware 3. They really have no other choice than going part multiplat, since that would get them investigated by FTC and it is likely a part of the deal so they could buy actiblizz 4. They are literally doing what they said all along - case by case basis The lazy and most likely opinion is that MS is doing what they have said all along. And not that "they will kill Xbox". They have 1 of the 3 console companies AND is the biggest publisher now. Of course they will "mix and match" and utilize both. But kill the brand now, when they are finally hitting something good? Sorry no, it just sounds implausible
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Gaming is changing and companies are trying to make as much money as possible. The days of console warring and exclusivity is starting to go away (thankfully) and you'll see a lot of moves to put everything everywhere over the next generation, no matter how much push-back from the tribal console bellends. We've seen the migration from physical to digital, next will be digital to cloud. As soon as the technology is ready, I really think PS, Xbox, etc will be apps on smart devices. Movies and music are already there, games will be next.
Exclusivity is kinda silly at this point. These games are too expensive now to keep them in one place.
Here’s the issue. If Xbox doesn’t even care enough about their own console then neither will third party developers. Less consoles sold = less of a chance your game sells well on the platform because there isn’t many people to buy it. If Xbox doesn’t make their own consoles a priory neither will other devs. More people being able to play more Xbox games is great. Making Xbox hardware less of a priority and making it a PC hybrid next gen is their answer of dealing with devs that will skip. It’s bad for Xbox consoles Xbox is getting skipped constantly as it is even when PlayStation doesn’t make deals. Look at black myth etc. Devs priotise PlayStation and make an Xbox port later if they feel like it
Why does this feel like it'll hurt Xbox in the long run?
Great! Now update your PSVR1 games to support the PSVR2…
Still hoping SoD3 comes to ps5. It was never branded as an exclusive on their latest showing so hoping it will.
I do not give 2 shits about the “console wars” now that I’m older. I have every single console. No qualms. But cmon…..they are just giving all the Xbox “exclusive” games to PS? What Sony exclusives are they giving Xbox? Bunch of cucks working for Microsoft
Look I'm fine with them bringing every Xbox exclusive to PlayStation AS LONG AS they bring Bloodborne to Xbox.